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Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by jurgenaut23 »

jwmoz wrote: post #636
irthomasthomas wrote: post #589

Although we have, as yet, no idea what he was actually refering to, I believe the source of the tension may be related to the statements Sam made the night before he was fired. "I think this is going to be the greatest leap forward that we've had yet so far, and the greatest leap forward of any of the big technological revolutions we've had so far. so i'm super excited, i can't imagine anything more exciting to work…

The model is so far forward it refuses to do anything for you anymore and simply replies with "let me google that for you"

Well, I think that, despite being a joke, your comment is deeper than it looks like. As model capabilities increase, the likelihood that they interfere with the instructions that we provide increases as well. It’s really like hiring someone really smart on your team: you cannot expect them to be taking orders without ever discussing them, like your average employee would do. That’s actually a feature, not a bug, but one that would most likely impede the usefulness of the model as a strictly utilitarian artifact.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by dr_dshiv »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #589

Although we have, as yet, no idea what he was actually refering to, I believe the source of the tension may be related to the statements Sam made the night before he was fired. "I think this is going to be the greatest leap forward that we've had yet so far, and the greatest leap forward of any of the big technological revolutions we've had so far. so i'm super excited, i can't imagine anything more exciting to work…

> "The model capability will have taken such a leap forward that no one expected." - "Wait, say it again?" "The model capability, like what these systems can do, will have taken such a leap forward, no one expected that much progress." - "And why is that a remarkable thing? Why is it brilliant? " "Well, it's just different to expectation. I think people have in their mind how much better the model will be next year, and it'll be remarkable how much different it is. " - "That's intriguing."

I can't imagine. It will take higher education, for instance, years to catch up with the current SOTA. At the same time, I can imagine — it would be like using chatGPT now, but where it actually finishes the job. I find myself having to redo everything I do with ChatGPT to such an extent that it rarely saves time. It does broaden my perspective, though.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by bsenftner »

nprateem wrote: post #656
irthomasthomas wrote: post #589

Although we have, as yet, no idea what he was actually refering to, I believe the source of the tension may be related to the statements Sam made the night before he was fired. "I think this is going to be the greatest leap forward that we've had yet so far, and the greatest leap forward of any of the big technological revolutions we've had so far. so i'm super excited, i can't imagine anything more exciting to work…

Unless he's saying it can actually comprehend, then it's still just more accurate predictions. Wake me at the singularity.

And by "actually comprehend" that means to accept arbitrary input, identify it, identify it's functional sub-components, identify each sub-component's functional nature as used by the larger entity, and then identify how each functional aspect combines to create the larger, more complex final entity. Doing this generically with arbitrary inputs is comprehension, is artificial general intelligence.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by giantrobot »

SXX wrote: post #640
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And everything LLM can come up with will be exactly the same information you can find in any fiction detective book or TV series about crime. As Nathan states: >And further, I argued that the Red Team project that I participated in did not suggest that they were on-track to achieve the level of control needed >Without safety advances, I warned that the next generation of models might very well be too dangerous to re…

I dont disagree with his points, but you completely miss the point of my post. People dont need an AI advise to commit crime and kill others. Nonestly humans they're pretty good at it using technology of 1941. You don't have bunch of cold blood killers going around not just because police is so good and killers are dumb and need AI help. It's because you live in functioning state where society have enough resources s…

If you have ChatGPT API access you can have it write code and bridge that to other external APIs. Without some guard rails an AI is like a toddler with a loaded gun. They don't understand the context of their actions. They can produce dangerous output if asked for it but also if asked for something else entirely.

The danger also doesn't need to be an AI generating code to hack the Gibson. It could also be things like "how do I manipulate someone to do something". Asking an AI for a marketing campaign isn't necessarily amoral. Asking it how to best harass someone into committing self-harm is.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by Towaway69 »

sanderjd wrote: post #127
bedobi wrote: post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter. I think where the…

For me it seems to be a debate between moral versus money. Is it morally correct to create technology that would be extremely profitable but has the potential to fundamentally change humankind.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by andy_ppp »

welpo wrote: post #629
andy_ppp wrote: post #628

When the following works I'll be impressed: "ChatGPT can you explain possible ways to make fusion power efficient for clean free energy production given the known and inferred laws of physics?" and it actually produces a new answer and plans for a power plant. It's very hard to know how close we are to this, but I do think it's possible these AI models end up being able to infer and invent new technology as they impr…

That's a pretty high bar, no?

It was a dead pan way of saying "damn the future could be weird if intelligence really is commodified".

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by zizee »

krisoft wrote: post #574
m463 wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a friend who did call center stuff. It was kind of eye-opening - they took phone calls form late-night tv infomercials and there was a script. They would take down your name, take your order, and then... upsell, cross-sell, special offer sell, etc. If the person said anything like "I'm not interested in this, blah blah", they had responses for everything. "But other people have quite upset when they didn't rece…

> The only way OUT of the script was to say "I will cancel my order unless you stop" Hanging up the phone is always an option. If you feel civilised you first say you are not interested and thank the sales person for their time, and then hang up no matter what they try to say. That is a way out of the script of course.

I find it extremely frustrating when people/businesses/organizations take advantage of the general populations politeness.

Ten years ago I would have found it really difficult to hang up on some random phone caller that I didn't want to speak to. Now I don't give it a second thought.

Inch by inch we'rkke all getting ruder and ruder to deal with these motherfuckers, and I can't help but feel that it is spilling out into regular interactions. I would hate to be in mmmmk

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