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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by iteratethis »

izacus wrote: post #169
luc4 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? We're not refusing to "pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work", we refuse to give in to the extortion attempts of a greedy multi-billion dollar company. I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful. However, I do agree that it's questionable whether you can easily replace Google as a source of funding.

And in case of Mozilla it'll be the CEO's compensation, or engineering pay, or the fact that there was Pocket integration or something else will be made up to fuel angry refusal to support development of the browser. There's always SOMETHING that's morally unacceptable to people who want it for free - I bet even full, total, complete submissions to whims of such community would not result in any significant revenue.

It's counter-productive for sure.

Reminds me of the crypto controversy of 2 years back. Mozilla had been allowing crypto donations for as long as they existed.

But then some important ex-employee "rediscovered" this, virtue signaled on Twitter how wildly inappropriate this is and formed a mob powerful enough to make Mozilla take the bow and close crypto donations.

And now? Well, now there won't be crypto donations. The same amount of crypto is mined, just none of it donated to Mozilla. You've achieved less than nothing, but you did the virtuous thing. Whilst simultaneously being funded by Google, with a laundry list of ethical violations, but those "don't count".

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

blibble wrote: post #627
jacquesm wrote: post #502

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Hm. It actually was. One of the major reasons the UK left the EU is because it would turn the UK into the financial center that it once was not having to deal with all these pesky EU regulations on financial markets. Small detail: it was the EU acting on behalf of the US that was the foundation for a lot of these regulations (mostly the fall out of a couple of really bad episodes) and Switzerland, one of the few hold…

> One of the major reasons the UK left the EU is because it would turn the UK into the financial center that it once was not having to deal with all these pesky EU regulations on financial markets. total rubbish, almost 100% of the City were pro remain, with maybe a handful of people/firms as leavers I was on a trading floor that day, and the impotent rage at the "wrong" result was present from everyone, from the int…

The traders and the bankers are not the same people.

I totally believe you and the traders tend to be very keen about what the near future is going to bring (barring black swan events).

As for the Dutch, yes, it's embarrassing.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by blibble »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #649
blibble wrote: post #645

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> Hmm, the article is from February 2022, aka right when we had "peak economy" just before the wordlwide shit hit the fan and everything tanked again, so I'm curious how much of that wage grows was just due to the Covid money printing boom that drove up demand in ** all sectors** you answered your own question here > Except now they have even more competition from outside the EU, with the UK reaching migration record…

>there's a minimum salary requirement; previously this didn't apply to labour from the EU, now it does Excuse me but how is this the EU's fault and not the UK's own fault for not enforcing some sort of minimum wages before? Where I live now in Austria, there are legally require minimal salary bands negotiated yearly by unions for every profession, so no matter where you come from for work, an employer here is mandate…

> Investors invested a lot in the UK post 2014 because being part of the EU was a big selling point. Who knows how it will play out now that the UK is isolated and with open borders.

I'm sure the working class are devastated that foreign investors have potentially lost money

> Excuse me but how is this the EU's fault and not the UK's own fault for not enforcing some sort of minimum wages before?

it has one?

you have missed the point entirely, and have now dropped to arguing in bad faith

goodbye

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #635
jacquesm wrote: post #455

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I've come across many anti EU persons and there are some broad categories: - the uninformed, they have no idea about how the EU came about or what it does, but they're against it anyway - the people on the receiving end of the regulations (anti-trust, advertisers, marketeers, bankers, data sellers etc). They have a very good idea about what it does, but it interferes with their preferred way of getting to more cash.…

> the people on the receiving end of the regulations This sometimes does include the average citizen. In particular various ecodesign rules resulted in household devices being forcibly replaced with versions perceived as inferior (whether justifiedly or not), and most washing machines will default to an EU mode that doesn't work well, takes exactly two hours and 59 minutes, but is more energy efficient. The EU also h…

I never intended for it to be presented as perfect and on average the little guy sees a lot of return from Brussels.

But there is plenty to be improved still, however, I'm cynical enough to realize this may well be as good as it gets.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by blibble »

jacquesm wrote: post #662
blibble wrote: post #627

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> One of the major reasons the UK left the EU is because it would turn the UK into the financial center that it once was not having to deal with all these pesky EU regulations on financial markets. total rubbish, almost 100% of the City were pro remain, with maybe a handful of people/firms as leavers I was on a trading floor that day, and the impotent rage at the "wrong" result was present from everyone, from the int…

The traders and the bankers are not the same people. I totally believe you and the traders tend to be very keen about what the near future is going to bring (barring black swan events). As for the Dutch, yes, it's embarrassing.

plenty of bankers there too

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

2devnull wrote: post #615
jacquesm wrote: post #577

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I'd rather be dominated in a political arena than in a military one, which is pretty much the alternative. At least as it is the small countries can throw their weight behind the larger one that has their interests most at heart. As far as colonies are concerned, that's a very thorny issue and also even further off-topic, and for NL (where I'm from) it is a very much embarrassing issue.

“I'd rather be dominated in a political arena than in a military one” Is that really the only choice nations face? Just a binary eu or no eu, domination either by treaty or by military force? What about diplomacy?

Ask Canada how that's working out for them.

Diplomacy is great, but trade wars are real and between nation states trade wars are extremely nasty if one party has an economy 10 times that of the other.

So yes, there is a third option, but it isn't all that pretty either. Within the EU there are no trade wars.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

blibble wrote: post #665
jacquesm wrote: post #662

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The traders and the bankers are not the same people. I totally believe you and the traders tend to be very keen about what the near future is going to bring (barring black swan events). As for the Dutch, yes, it's embarrassing.

plenty of bankers there too

Ok, so for some odd reason everything in your surrounding contradicts everything that I've been able to dig up on what powered Brexit. I'm happy to believe that this is your genuine interpretation of what happened but I'm going to stick with mine because it appears very much that that is what the aftermath has confirmed: that finance + wealthy parties put up the money that financed the Brexit campaign and that they are the ones that stood to gain from it most. Follow the money. That the economy as a whole shrunk doesn't seem to have impacted them much, their Pounds Sterling are solid and in the short term their doing fine. And if they don't, well, there's always the fluidity of capital when it wants to move across the border. Something that somehow is a lot easier than for an immigrant to make it into the UK.

Who do you think will take responsibility for Brexit?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by NikkiA »

dubcanada wrote: post #458
Dah00n wrote: post #388

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The problem with these Chromium based browsers is that this is helping strangle the only real alternative to Chrome. You might not sell your soul to Google, but you still help Google keep their stranglehold on web standards, etc. Of course, a single person is always irrelevant in the big picture, but combined Vivaldi, Brave, etc. are helping strangle Firefox and helping prop up Google's heavy hand on web standards.

It's Firefoxs fault that Chromium took over, Firefox just had to copy what Google did with Chrome (which is make a version that is easily integrated in other applications). It had years to do so, and did not. I am not blaming Firefox for the rise in Chrome, but I am blaming them for the rise in Chromium. They have a solid alternative and didn't care enough to capitalize on it. Who knows in another timeline with chang…

Ironically, it was copying google's chrome LAF that led to the decline in firefox since v57.

They had to kill XUL to be able to keep up with the Chrome UI changes, and at that point killed off a vast amount of plugins, leaving firefox with no real advantage over chrome, but all the speed disadvantages compared to chrome.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by NikkiA »

OOPMan wrote: post #532
bad_user wrote: post #100

I keep seeing Edge mentioned as a worthy alternative, and I just don't get it. First, all Chromium-based browsers will eventually block uBlock Origin for the sole reason that they can't maintain Manifest v2 on their own, and they all rely on Chrome's Web Store anyway. This won't happen immediately because Manifest v2 will probably stick around for longer because of enterprise users, but the writing is on the wall. Th…

Vivaldi is chromium based and they've pledged to do whatever they have to to rollback manifest v3 in their browser.

As is Brave, Opera and DDG (based on edge). I have said before that I suspect the minor chromium forks such as these will end up having to fork when google does commit fully to manifest v3, as they'll have no way to remain privacy focused if they try to keep using the mainline codebase; if they all work together on a manifest v2 chromium fork for them each to base their browsers on then it probably won't be that hard for them.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by Fatnino »

Klonoar wrote: post #644
IggleSniggle wrote: post #529

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Sure, but at the most, having to put up with a touch screen is a minor annoyance, and for the most part, you really don't need the functionality that's gated behind those controls. It's a little annoying, yes.

You might consider it minor whereas others will base a car purchase around it. Different strokes for different folks.

For example if a car refuses to work with ad blockers I'm going to be buying a different car instead.
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