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Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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But, isn't AlphaGo a solution to kind of specific mathematical problem? And that it has passed with flying colors? What I mean is, yes, neural networks are stochastic and that seems to be why they're bad at logic; on the other hand it' not exactly hallucinating a game of Go, and that seems different to how neural networks are prone to hallucination and confabulation on natural language or X-ray imaging.

Sure, but people have already applied deep learning techniques to theorem proving. There are some impressive results (which the press doesn't seem at all interested in because it doesn't have ChatGPT in the title). It's really harder than one might imagine to develop a system which is good at higher order logic, premise selection, backtracking, algebraic manipulation, arithmetic, conjecturing, pattern recognition, vi…

Then your critique is about LLMs specifically.

But even there, can we say scientifically that LLMs cannot do math? Do we actually know that? And in my mind, that would imply LLMs cannot achieve AGI either. What do we actually know about the limitations of various approaches?

And couldn't people argue that it's not even necessary to think in terms of capabilities as if they were modules or pieces? Maybe just brute-force the whole thing, make a planetary scale computer. In principle.

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Put this on my tombstone after the robots kill me or whatever, but I think all “AI safety” concerns are a wild overreaction totally out of proportion to the actual capabilities of these models. I just haven’t seen anything in the past year which makes me remotely fearful about the future of humanity, including both our continued existence and our continued employment.

They just want to make sure the spam AI produces will amplify the party narratives.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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> There has long been discussion among computer scientists about the danger posed by highly intelligent machines, for instance if they might decide that the destruction of humanity was in their interest.

This AI doomer stuff is such nonsense and I can't believe anybody takes it seriously. As if it's OpenAI's responsibility to save humanity from the pitfalls of AI.

Imagine if we decided to improve our education system and doomers were talking about "hitting the panic button" because students were getting too smart from all the quality education.

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Are you saying it could , without having read it somewhere?

Maybe I'm unsure what we're arguing here. Did the guys kid drum that up himself or did he learn it from yt? Knowledge can be inferred or extracted. If it comes up with a correct answer and shows it's work, who cares how the knowledge was obtained?

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Past technological breakthroughs have required large, costly retools of society though. Increasingly, those retools have resulted in more and more people working in jobs whose societal value is dubious at best. Whether the next breakthrough(or the next five) finally requires a retool whose cost we can't afford is an open question.

Is there a time period in the past you would have preferred to live instead and why?

No, and I have no idea what I said that makes you think I do.

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I feel very comfortable saying, as a mathematician, that the ability to solve grade school maths problems would not be at all a predictor of ability to solve real mathematical problems at a research level. The reason LLMs fail at solving mathematical problems is because: 1) they are terrible at arithmetic, 2) they are terrible at algebra, but most importantly, 3) they are terrible at complex reasoning (more specifica…

I don't know for Q* of course, but all the tests I made with GPT4, and all what I've read and seen about it, show that it is unable to reason. It was trained with an unfathomable amount of data, so it can simulate reasoning very well, but it is unable to reason

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LLMs can reason to an extent. I believe it’s entirely possible even today to achieve AGI. A complex system made out of LLMs, maybe Recursive Retrieval Augmented Generation (use an LLM to retrieve) or Recursive Agent Teams (any agent can assign a job to a new subcommittee of agents) or both. The most fundamental data structure is a tree, after all. And that is how we think, no? One thought leads to another in a tree structure.

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> There has long been discussion among computer scientists about the danger posed by highly intelligent machines, for instance if they might decide that the destruction of humanity was in their interest. This AI doomer stuff is such nonsense and I can't believe anybody takes it seriously. As if it's OpenAI's responsibility to save humanity from the pitfalls of AI. Imagine if we decided to improve our education system…

What is exactly the non sense part?

Can you elaborate on the education analogy and how it relates to AI doomer stuff?

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You're missing the point: who's using the 'add' instruction ? You. We want 'something' to think about using the 'add' instruction to solve a problem. We want to remove the human from the solution design. It would help us tremendously tbh, just like I don't know, Google map helped me never to have to look for direction ever again ?

When the solution requires arithmetic, one trick is to simply ask GPT to write a Python program to compute the answer. There's your 'add'.

Interesting, how do you use this idea? If you prompt the LLM "create a python Add function Foo to add a number to another number", "using Foo add 1 and 2", or somesuch, but what's to stop it hallucinating and saying "Sure, let me do that for you, foo 1 and 2 is 347. Please let me know if you need anything else."
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