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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by izacus »

randomdata wrote: post #647
izacus wrote: post #606

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It's kind of bizarre that people here would rather have shitty experience talking to their friends just to defend the honor megacorporations. Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Jesus. Being able to send a rich message from iPhone to Android and back (including location, pictures, videos) is really not something that will cause you pain and Apple won't lash out and punish yo…

> Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. That's incorrect. Apple here refers to a group of people, not the fruit. Google here too refers to a group of people, not the software that provides search features. > They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Their feelings need to be defended as much as any other person. Which, logically, is not at all, but as you are defending your own feelings here what is logical is already…

Let's use the term "corporate entity" instead of "group of people". Because corporate entities do not have human emotions or human properties and actively work on suppressing them to generate (or extract) value.

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Post by qingcharles »

notpushkin wrote: post #530
qingcharles wrote: post #393

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The problem with developers is that we are often isolated from whole sections of the world. The people on the Android team, probably working in SF, have perhaps never been into the hood. Out here there are guys on every street corner stood next to the drug dealers (often it's the same guy) trying to get you to take a free smartphone or a tablet. They get paid some sort of kickback if they can get you to take it -- it…

> and an average web page can easily run to 200MB now Wait, what? How did it come to that? I thought it was more like 50 MB if not even less. Thank God we have ad blockers. > guys on every street corner trying to get you to take a free smartphone or a tablet with 15GB of data a month Would it be possible to get it as a tourist?

As a tourist? No. You need to give your national ID (Social Security Number) to the salespeople so they can check you are receiving some sort of government assistance already.

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Post by hot_gril »

mattl wrote: post #408
hot_gril wrote: post #201

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Yeah, the thing to bring back would be headphone jack.

Do any mainstream phones ship with a headphone jack now?

Not any one I've heard of. Which will be an issue when my iPhone 6S eventually dies.

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Post by jmull »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #643
jmull wrote: post #642

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> also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists Where is that claim made?

Right here: "So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions" This is stating that, for example, if you dislike racists and choose not to associate with them, you're acting like a racist. lol That's not racism...at all. It's not even bigotry. The choice is based on actions, not class, religion, color, etc.

I don't think you're following the thread correctly. I guess re-read it, if you want to understand what is being said (probably a waste of time though).

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Post by sonicanatidae »

jmull wrote: post #665
sonicanatidae wrote: post #643

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Right here: "So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions" This is stating that, for example, if you dislike racists and choose not to associate with them, you're acting like a racist. lol That's not racism...at all. It's not even bigotry. The choice is based on actions, not class, religion, color, etc.

I don't think you're following the thread correctly. I guess re-read it, if you want to understand what is being said (probably a waste of time though).

I love the non-rebuttal, followed by immediate dismissal. lol

ok..

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Post by TeMPOraL »

randomdata wrote: post #649
TeMPOraL wrote: post #614

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Up to a point. Afterwards, consumers suffer from garbage products, enshittified services, and under-reported inflation, while companies compete themselves to oblivion.

You really only see that in tech, and do so because of lack of meaningful competition. You get some sideline competition, yes, but never direct competition. The law doesn't allow you to directly compete. As soon as you try you will be slapped with a patent/copyright/whatever lawsuit that will kill you off before you ever had a chance. Industries where direct competition is allowable do not suffer from these problems.

> Industries where direct competition is allowable do not suffer from these problems.

No, they suffer much worse. Haven't you noticed how all goods and services go to shit over the years? This is not an accident, this is competition optimizing out any quality it can get away with removing.

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Post by spike021 »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #490
spike021 wrote: post #232

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That sounds like a people problem, not a tech problem.

People rightly criticise social media companies for the behaviour their platforms encourage, and iMessage encourages this behaviour as much as twitter encourages outrage.

I still believe that's a people problem.

On Twitter you can easily curate Twitter lists of people to follow without being forced to use the generated feed. I'm rarely if ever outraged or otherwise emotionally charged when I'm using it. (Maybe except when I come across reply-bots)

And as I said elsewhere in the thread, I've never experienced that problem with any friend groups when it comes to iMessage.

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Post by spike021 »

ridewinter wrote: post #585
JohnFen wrote: post #380

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> it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend Meh. I'm not interested in being part of a social circle that is as petty as that.

There's 40 million American teenagers who are very interested in being a part of petty social circles.

Is the argument you're making that the people complaining about this on HN are American teenagers?

Seems like a completely different situation.... and really, again, a people problem.

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Post by dwaite »

kelnos wrote: post #509
dwaite wrote: post #428

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RCS isn't either - it is a proprietary feature when using Google's client with Google's server.

Sure, but in practice, everyone's RCS is currently E2EE since everyone uses Google's client and Google's server. This should change, certainly! Hopefully Apple will force Google to open up their implementation and protocol for E2EE so they can build a compatible implementation.

Maybe. The challenge with E2EE is how to resolve an email address or phone number to the authoritative public key and networking route, securely. If we wind up with multiple authoritative sources of that mapping, each one has the potential to lie and become an avenue for surveillance. Thats ignoring for the moment lesser issues, such as privacy issues with leaked metadata in querying these sources.

Things like Key Transparency in the IETF are tackling some of this, in the sense that they'll provide public evidence of tampering.

I don't suspect what Google has implemented for their own client/server setup gets us close to a multi-party solution within RCS Universal profile.

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