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Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Post by mensetmanusman »

hunta2097 wrote: post #650
croes wrote: post #640

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>"what kind of man does G-d want me to be?" I just remember how religious people fought against gay marriage as if it would ban straight marriages. God seems to want those people be hateful people. >anything goes, you can be whatever you feel like and there's no judgement of any of your actions. First of all, there is judgement as soon as you actions hurt others. Beside that you can be and feel like you want. And I r…

Statistically, the US prison population is mostly made up of religious people. https://www.statista.com/statistics/234653/religious-affilia...

90% had absent fathers.

Statistically, the only communities with positive demographics are religious.

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Post by bequanna »

haizhung wrote: post #261

Am I the only one thinking that home schooling is the wrong solution to the underlying problem? The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding. Teachers are quitting left and right, and schools are in a terrible state. Instead of fixing THAT problem, now people homeschool. Ok; I guess. At least homeschooling is something that the individual can control,…

> The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding.

Not everyone agrees that is the problem.

Bullying and indoctrination are two examples that many people cite as reasons they choose to homeschool.

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ryandrake wrote: post #411
marcusverus wrote: post #283

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> The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding. Public school spending in the US is up almost 50% in the last 30 years.[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203118/expenditures-per-...

Where's all that money going? Surely not to teachers who are chronically underpaid and have 30+ students per class. It's not buying school supplies, which our teachers often have to pay for out of pocket or hold bake sales to fund. Is it all going to football fields, useless technology spending, and 5 levels of non-teaching administration staff?

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Post by bequanna »

AlexandrB wrote: post #414
marcusverus wrote: post #283

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> The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding. Public school spending in the US is up almost 50% in the last 30 years.[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203118/expenditures-per-...

Where the hell is all this money going ? It's certainly not to teachers, whose salaries have barely changed[1] when adjusted for inflation. Is it going to real estate costs? Technology costs? Administration? What? [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/20979/public-school-teacher-s...

Palatial buildings and sports field houses, bloated admin and special education aides.

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Post by reaperman »

umvi wrote: post #659
pkulak wrote: post #611

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> anything goes, you can be whatever you feel like and there's no judgement of any of your actions Wow, what a terrible take. If anyone needs religion to live a moral life, I'm glad they have found it and hope they never lose it. I'm judged by my peers, my family, my community, and my country. But even if I wasn't, I would know what's right and what's wrong. Moreover, I guess it's good that amoral people can find eth…

> But even if I wasn't, I would know what's right and what's wrong. Is it right or wrong to act on homosexual urges? Is it right or wrong to use abortion as a form of birth control? Have your answers to those questions remained consistent your entire life or did they change at exactly the same time they changed for the rest of western society ~20 years ago? If your moral stance has been unwavering, kudos. Otherwise,…

> If your moral stance has been unwavering

On these topics, yes. I independently worked through the moral questions of capital punishment in middle school, wrote long papers on euthanasia when I was 15. I explored the morality of abortion deeply also in high school, LGBTQ was never a moral question for me at all and I truly don't understand why it is for anyone outside of their religion telling them its bad without any justification.

I think people should be capable of exploring these topics deeply at a young age.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Teever wrote: post #427
xyzelement wrote: post #329

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// other aspects of homeschooling were just a fig leaf over a whole lot of religious indoctrination I was raised totally secular but I now understand that religion is about fundamentally aligning yourself to the highest aspirations ("what kind of man does G-d want me to be?") and even w/o actual faith, I am starting to think that's preferable to the current mode of "anything goes, you can be whatever you feel like an…

If the purpose of religion is to align yourself to the highest aspirations why do so many large religious organizations get caught up stuff like this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mormon-church-ensign-peak-whist...

It’s the same reason every institution has corruption: health care, insurance, wall st., etc.

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Post by cntrmmbrpsswrd »

kulahan wrote: post #525
kelnos wrote: post #515

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I was raised very Catholic (and decided by my early teens that I didn't believe in any of it), and I completely disagree with your conclusion. Organized religion (at least Christianity) absolutely is about deep fear. "Do this or you'll go to hell!" "Believe this or you'll go to hell!" Repeat ad infinitum. I won't deny that some churches (as in, specific people, not the system as a whole) can do good in the world; one…

You've misunderstood Catholicism. The entire reason Christianity is so radical is because it's the first major religion of purely love. There is no need to sacrifice anyone, you get infinite forgiveness, so long as you truly repent, and nearly every facet of Catholicism is based around the idea of love. A fine example is the incredibly important Corinthians 13:13: And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But…

The reality of the Catholic Church and its history is far and away divorced from the teachings of Jesus. Like the OP, I was also raised in a devout Catholic household, and while, yes, there is plenty of talk of love, there is, and traditionally has been plenty of fear-mongering.

You need to constantly be on the look out for Satan and his temptations. There's a laundry list of things you shouldn't do or think about. If you do, you should feel guilty and repent. God is always watching, so be good.

Every individual church is different, and your mileage will vary, but I found them to be similar to office spaces in the level of bickering and gossip as their best, and deeply dysfunctional institutions at worse.

I would also disagree that Christianity was the first major religion of purely love when Buddhism had been around for centuries and had the practice of forsaking one's own enlightenment in order to save all being from suffering.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

pdonis wrote: post #210
defgeneric wrote: post #201

I'm skeptical when these parents their kids cite poor public schools as the primary reason for home schooling. When you look closer, it's almost always lifestyle and ideology that are the main factors. The often-cited failure in socialization extends beyond socialization within peer-groups as well--kids also need exposure to a variety of adults and authority figures. It's not only about learning how to make friends.…

A school-like environment that doesn't indoctrinate their children in values that the parents disagree with, which is what would happen if their children went to public schools.

Public schools contributed to my departure from the faith decades afterward. Public schools weren't indoctrinating anything. Rather they taught me to think critically, using proven methods, and avoid fallacies. Faith communities taught me lazy thinking, blind faith, bigotry, etc.

Thank Prussia for a system that -- for all its faults -- provides a way out for kids born into religion.

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Post by pseingatl »

Mom got in fights with son's teachers, pulled him out for home schooling. Mom not a teacher, couldn't teach anything. No high school diploma. No college. Failed GED. No job. Not socialized. Depressed. Envious of his peers.

That's when the trouble started.

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