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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by arp242 » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 2:25 AM UTC

freejazz wrote: post #480

nomel wrote: post #371

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Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.

Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.

The claims were "outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition" and "trans people have died at the hands of bigots".

The Utah law "prohibits health care providers from providing hormonal transgender treatments to minors and those not diagnosed with gender dysphoria".[1]

That's not the same thing at all.

[1]: https://healthnews.com/news/utah-limits-access-to-gender-aff...

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by twodave » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 2:50 AM UTC

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #483

twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Is this....a weird way to say that you want folks to have the ability to (checks notes) make transphobic comments and prevent other people from reacting? > but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How is making transphobic remarks appealing to the opposite of the LCD of society. It appears that you are claiming some sort of social or moral superiority....to…

This is actually a great example of not giving the person communicating the most gracious interpretation. Look, all I'm saying is we'd all be a lot better off if we gave each other the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the intent of our words. I'm not trying to comment on the facts of the story, but more the way the story made me feel. I'm definitely not defending the kind of speech that targets and ridicules a group, whether generated or otherwise. I wish I could do a better job of sharing my heart here.

As for the comment about the commercial, it was a bit of a tangent on an already-off-topic rant, but I think it describes some of our self-centeredness as a culture. "Oh, if you buy our product you'll feel like spreading the love by..." just not being a jerk? The fact that they ran that commercial means they think it'll resonate with the audience.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by nomel » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 2:58 AM UTC

freejazz wrote: post #633

nomel wrote: post #628

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The fact that two people responded with two different answers shows that guessing is required. Indirectness is popular with these types of topics, and I don't understand why. It's almost like it's used to preemptively set up a fight, with responses similar to yours, like "Well, you're not paying attention" or "How could you not know?". It's not useful, to anyone.

It shows the opposite, that there is so much of this going on.... > It's not useful, to anyone What's not useful to everyone is acting like you don't read the news, can't read the news, or in the event that someone points out something in the news that you didn't, that you somehow cannot be availed of that knowledge in a way that doesn't render the argument moot. It's really stupid when you think about it that way. P…

I covered your response, here, which appears to be accurate:

> It's almost like it's used to preemptively set up a fight, with responses similar to yours, like "Well, you're not paying attention" or "How could you not know?".

A stage was set where people can easily be placed into a box, created by an intentional lack of clarity. They can then be easily attack for not seeing things "as clearly" as they should. It's not possible for anything positive to come out of an exchange built in that context. By that, it's not useful, unless your goal is actually to create a negative exchange.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 3:11 AM UTC

nomel wrote: post #414

ekleraki wrote: post #392

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I see your anecdotal data and I raise you my predictor variables: - Wears a maga hat - Supports forced pregnancies - Is evangelical christian - Is proudly unvaccinated - Considers him or her self a "pureblood" - Is proudly uneducated and complains about "overeducated" women. - Complains about drag shows - which nobody forced them to go to - while not batting an eye for beauty pageants for children. - Complains about…

Which, online (the context here), would require communication with them, to know. That communication would have to be a somewhat spooky probing, completely tangent to the question. Anecdotes aren’t required for this.

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 3:12 AM UTC

nomel wrote: post #414

ekleraki wrote: post #392

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I see your anecdotal data and I raise you my predictor variables: - Wears a maga hat - Supports forced pregnancies - Is evangelical christian - Is proudly unvaccinated - Considers him or her self a "pureblood" - Is proudly uneducated and complains about "overeducated" women. - Complains about drag shows - which nobody forced them to go to - while not batting an eye for beauty pageants for children. - Complains about…

Which, online (the context here), would require communication with them, to know. That communication would have to be a somewhat spooky probing, completely tangent to the question. Anecdotes aren’t required for this.

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by nomel » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 3:15 AM UTC

ekleraki wrote: post #391

nomel wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.

They are referring to Trump running on the platform of punishing doctors for offering gender affirming healthcare, and banning transitioning. Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.

> Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.

I don't think this is the case, since there were no facts presented. Your guess seems to differ from the other person [1], which proves that some clarity would have helped the discussion.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 3:24 AM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #459

nomel wrote: post #339

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> repeatedly entertaining It can appear this way, on the internet, but it could be that the individuals asking the question are entertaining it for the first time. I know this is what happened to me, with unrelated topics. You can’t reason with the mob. They aren’t interested.

If you aren't willing to go take the time to educate yourself on the topic (there are ample resources to do so) then it is not our responsibility to educate you about trans people. Trans people are a rarity, so they tend to have to field the same like 20 questions a million times over. They just want to live their fucking lives, not answer truly ignorant questions about their genitalia from people who didn't put in e…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by za3faran » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 4:58 AM UTC

roughly wrote: post #560

notch898a wrote: post #496

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I'm looking for the citation for this: LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society. The citations show these individuals are placed at higher risk in association with mistreatment. I couldn't find the citations for the rest of the statement, including the 'rath…

I think it’s effectively impossible to remove societal influence from the equation - in other words, we can compare between different local environments and personal histories, but there’s no trans youth in the western world that hasn’t grown up in an at least moderately hostile and othering society. I think you may be able to do some comparative analysis based on different rates of depression & suicidal ideation amo…

> let’s keep working on society until ...

You can't posit that for every issue that pops up, it's not scalable at all. We have limited time on this Earth and limited resources, this is not a computer program where you can apply hypotheses in isolation and get quick results.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by freejazz » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 5:28 AM UTC

nomel wrote: post #663

freejazz wrote: post #633

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It shows the opposite, that there is so much of this going on.... > It's not useful, to anyone What's not useful to everyone is acting like you don't read the news, can't read the news, or in the event that someone points out something in the news that you didn't, that you somehow cannot be availed of that knowledge in a way that doesn't render the argument moot. It's really stupid when you think about it that way. P…

I covered your response, here, which appears to be accurate: > It's almost like it's used to preemptively set up a fight, with responses similar to yours, like "Well, you're not paying attention" or "How could you not know?". A stage was set where people can easily be placed into a box, created by an intentional lack of clarity. They can then be easily attack for not seeing things "as clearly" as they should. It's no…

That's a much bigger assumption than assuming someone talking about contemporary news follows it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by freejazz » Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 5:28 AM UTC

Teever wrote: post #637

freejazz wrote: post #471

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And you don't think its possible plenty of people found such a joke distasteful? You act like if you walked the streets of NY after 9/11, making jokes about it, people would be cheering you on... I have a feeling the situation would be quite different.

Is walking through the streets of NY immediately after 9/11 and making 9/11 jokes equivalent to a bot on twitch saying rude things? Like how does what you're talking about relate to the topic at hand in anyway whatsoever?

It's not, but it wasn't my hypothetical that I offered as a reason of demonstrating my reasonability.

>Like how does what you're talking about relate to the topic at hand in anyway whatsoever?

I'm not exactly surprised you aren't getting the point. Context doesn't really seem to be a thing to you. For what it's worth, I was pointing out that context matters, so your hypothetical wasn't really meaningful. Arguably, less meaningful than what you accuse my own post of being, considering that my post contained this lesson.