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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

impulser_ wrote: post #210

ceejayoz wrote: post #126

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He's making it up as he goes along. The hastily written new policy from yesterday carves out an explicit exemption for reporters that's being ignored today. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info... > For media, the following are not in violation of our policy: > * the media is publicly available or is being covered by mainstream media; > * the media and the accompanying tweet text add value to…

Apparently the bans were because journalists were posting about Mastodon being banned on Twitter. They shared a tweet containing a screenshot of a tweet from Mastodon linking to a Mastodon profile ran by the ElonJet guy. The tweets didn't include any "doxxing" materials even under Elon's new definition. So you are completely right about him making stuff up as he goes along lol.

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by georgeg23 » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:35 AM UTC

LarryMullins wrote: post #656

georgeg23 wrote: post #50

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> a massive DoD program, which requires Republicans to fund. Contrary to the partisan memes, support for military funding is actually bipartisan. Republicans often like to say that Democratic politicians don't support the military, to pander to their base, but this isn't actually true. And Democratic Party sometimes like to play at being peaceniks, again to pander to their base, but this isn't true either. Look up th…

But in this case, the DoD project is decidedly Republican. The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was a Reagan initiative and an attempt at rebooting it is a hallmark of every Republican administration since.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by comte7092 » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:35 AM UTC

darawk wrote: post #609

GoofballJones wrote: post #370

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Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Musk didn't like it so the journalists are now banned. The dude is truly off his rocker now. The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot. He's self-destructing before our eyes...no longer the richest man in the world. Telsa stock tanking all because he can't STFU and acts like a spoiled 12 year…

> Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Do you have evidence of that? He claims they were reporting the location.

How many times does this dude have to lie before people stop taking what he says at face value?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by emodendroket » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:36 AM UTC

nearbuy wrote: post #660

emodendroket wrote: post #638

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> It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it could be I don't think it seems like a good rule. Not only is the information public but I think it is not hard to dream up reasons why it would legitimately be in the public interest to report on the comings and goings of someone's private jet.

Public or not, it is a security concern, especially for a celebrity/politicized figure/widely hated person. I wouldn't want my live location posted on the internet either, and there's a lot fewer people who want to hurt me than Musk (AFAIK, no one wants to hurt me).

I don't find it credible that someone is committed enough to doing you harm that they're willing to rot in prison for the rest of their lives but not quite committed enough to look up the public data themselves instead of finding it conveniently collated for them.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by unlipkert » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:41 AM UTC

lamontcg wrote: post #578

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

Weirdly I'm almost on the other side of the whole doxxing issue. We've established now that Elon really doesn't like it when people dox him, and all his right-leaning supporters are defending that. Well, that's a precedent now for when minorities and vulnerable people who aren't billionaires are doxxed by right wing hate groups (e.g. Kiwifarms). And radical free speech just got abruptly limited when it got personal.…

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Post by comte7092 » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:43 AM UTC

lamontcg wrote: post #578

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

Weirdly I'm almost on the other side of the whole doxxing issue. We've established now that Elon really doesn't like it when people dox him, and all his right-leaning supporters are defending that. Well, that's a precedent now for when minorities and vulnerable people who aren't billionaires are doxxed by right wing hate groups (e.g. Kiwifarms). And radical free speech just got abruptly limited when it got personal.…

Precedent only matters if the rules are applied consistently.

These only consistent rule on Twitter now is “don’t tweet shit that offends Elon”.

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Post by strangeattractr » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:44 AM UTC

cmh89 wrote: post #520

c54 wrote: post #29

The wave of bans from the muskjet thing has been quite dramatic. It'll be interesting to see if the people who've been lauding musk for his supposedly pro free speech attitudes will reckon with what's been happening in actuality, or if they'll just accept this as "freedom for me but not for thee".

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

I want free speech, hence I think Elon is a tremendous hypocrite for enacting this policy. Once you start deciding whether or not things are 'safe' to say you will end up in the exact situation Jack, et al. were in when they were censoring just with different biases. He doesn't seem to understand that and is doomed to repeat their mistakes.

There is some irony now seeing those that didn't believe the banning of accounts arbitrarily was an issue under previous management decrying this move by Elon.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by dang » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:45 AM UTC

All: be on whichever side of this saga that you please, but make sure you're following HN's guidelines while posting. There has been a drop in comment quality lately. Not cool.

Here's the short version. Good: thoughtful, curious conversation. Bad: snark, fulmination, and flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by colordrops » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

narrator wrote: post #629

colordrops wrote: post #410

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"Tone" is a part of what one says. It's not meaningless. It carries a message as well.

Except tone is a function of the observer. It's purely subjective and thus one can make absolutely anything offensive by complaining about the tone. Watch: I don't like the tone of your comment. Now prove to me that you're not saying something in a tone that's not offensive to me. You can't. My feelings are authoritative "lived experience."

It's no different from the words themselves. Sometimes tone is vague and other times it's direct and obvious.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by wordsarelies » Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 5:50 AM UTC

darawk wrote: post #609

GoofballJones wrote: post #370

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Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Musk didn't like it so the journalists are now banned. The dude is truly off his rocker now. The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot. He's self-destructing before our eyes...no longer the richest man in the world. Telsa stock tanking all because he can't STFU and acts like a spoiled 12 year…

> Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Do you have evidence of that? He claims they were reporting the location.

They tweeted snapshots of the accounts that were banned last tweets.