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Post by laputan_machine »

sva_ wrote: post #619
_8j50 wrote: post #610

Why is this propaganda bullshit on the front page. I gotta ask about moderation on HN here. This is literally moderation, "the twitter files" my ass. They pretext political contributions and falsley connect legitimate moderation to that. Of course they should have blocked that story and still should. Oh, but get this, it's their platform they get to do what they want. They are not an impartial government agency. In t…

Man, this 2-party system in the US really made some brains rot away, it seems.

My country has a defacto two party system. It's pretty poo but stateside these guys take it to another level.

We're all human, we probably agree on far more than we disagree on. Let's all be a little kinder to each other

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Post by NewLogic »

chris_wot wrote: post #440
Aeolun wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in a way Elon taking over is good. At least it’s abundantly clear the whole platform is run based on his personal whims now.

Has he removed that direct line?

He is the direct line now, that's what he paid 44billion for.

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Post by cryptonector »

sidibe wrote: post #34

So the journalist gets access to the emails in return for promising to dribble the story on Twitter over 30 minutes? Would be a much better experience if he wrote an article or at least tweeted faster, but not as much refreshing I guess.

Yes, it's almost certainly the case that dribbling these out on Twitter first is part of a deal. Musk certainly would want that to help keep Twitter relevant.

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Post by Nimitz14 »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #24

Just a couple weeks ago I had a comment downvoted and flagged for saying what this confirms. The political bias in tech circles is unreal sometimes.

There is absolutely nothing new here. Work on your reading comprehension.

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Post by cm2187 »

andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

These policies were always a pretext. The two major social networks blocking the same story at the same time citing different policies that are obviously inconsistently applied (did Twitter block the story about Trump's leaked tax returns? Did facebook block Biden when he claimed that covid would be gone once everyone was vaccinated?). These emails show twitter executives puzzled by the application of those policies.

I agree, nothing we didn't know. Like I suspect the further findings alluded to at the end of the thread. But it's kind of like the Snowden revelations. Anyone a bit tech savvy strongly suspected what the NSA was up to, and would have been surprised of the contrary. But it's interesting nevertheless to see the proof. And to see how political viewpoints are censored at the request of politicians.

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Post by cycomanic »

Dig1t wrote: post #188
anoonmoose wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1- Biden wasn't in government, he was running for office. Private citizen at the time. 2- They weren't telling, they were asking, and if Twitter feels like they were told, they can sue the government for violating their First Amendment rights.

Okay well, this doesn't feel like a good faith discussion if we're resorting to technicalities like this. You are correct, technically Joe Biden was not a part of the government at the time that this email was sent. Do you honestly believe that this behavior is keeping with the spirit of the first amendment? His team, and the DNC (here's one that's very similar, except that its from the DNC instead of the Biden team…

So on the one hand you're saying it's a big thing that the Biden campaign did ask for things to be taken down and dismiss that they were not part of the government is just a technicality, but on the other hand you are not complaining that the Trump campaign also asked for things to be taken down (it's literally in the same thread) and they actually were part of the government.

If you are worried about the "violation of the 1A spirit " should you not complain first about the government asking for things to be taken down? Or at least display the same level of outrage?

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Post by hsn915 »

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #335

I’m surprised by the outrage here. The proliferation of information is always subject to tampering - from news outlets picking headlines to social feeds oriented around engagement. Literally 100% of the flow of information is being shaped by interested parties, from the beginning to the end. (If you had told me that powerful people/organizations could not get tweets removed, I would have been surprised; based on my e…

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Post by ImaCake »

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #618
_8j50 wrote: post #610

Why is this propaganda bullshit on the front page. I gotta ask about moderation on HN here. This is literally moderation, "the twitter files" my ass. They pretext political contributions and falsley connect legitimate moderation to that. Of course they should have blocked that story and still should. Oh, but get this, it's their platform they get to do what they want. They are not an impartial government agency. In t…

>Oh, but get this, it's their platform they get to do what they want. now it's Musk's platform and he gets to do whatever he wants you're cool with that, right?

Not really. One thing Mastodon allows is for us to have 1000s of admins with the power of Musk instead of one. You might think this is just as bad, but at least it provides people with choice.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by laputan_machine »

jmyeet wrote: post #263
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

> I'm a moderate The Overton window in the US stems from center-right (Democrats) to extreme-right (Republicans) so if you're in the middle of that you're firmly a conservative. Don't believe me? Example: we've got the ongoing threat of a strike tby rail workers who want paid sick leave . They currently have no paid sick leave. Calling in sick will come off their vacation days. It may even get them disciplined and fi…

> The Overton window in the US stems from center-right (Democrats) to extreme-right (Republicans) so if you're in the middle of that you're firmly a conservative.

This is something Europeans have been saying online since at least the early 00s. It might be worth splitting it up into "social" policies and "economic" policies.

Democrats are a socially very left (dissenting views are not allowed), economically right party. republicans are a socially right, economically very right (taxation is theft) party.

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