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Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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In a world where you can get 250

No one is paying $250k salary out of college. Every one of those jobs has similar salary to amazon with the rest in stock. Maybe high frequency traders will give you that cash, but no one else.

It's not unheard of, but usually you need a PhD is a hot field with several conference papers. But it does not seem the norm yet.

However, anecdotes make up hopes.

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> Amazon founder and former CEO Jeff Bezos saw his warehouse workforce as necessary but replaceable, and feared that workers who remained at the company too long would turn complacent or, worse, disgruntled, according to reporting by the New York Times. Wow. Think about what this is really saying: Amazon adopts the explicit policy of not wanting their workers to stay on long enough to figure out that they are getting…

Yes, Amazon actually pays employees $5000 if they quit and agree to never return. Available to any employee who has worked there for long enough (I believe a year?)

But why...?

One of the big rules of hiring is to get people that require the fewest hours of training. That's why most companies welcome "alumni" back.

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And the level of actual integration of various services varies a lot (I mean, you expect things like IAM to be included if it's AWS service, right? Lol nope) plus then there's stuff that will be documented with something like one paragraph in docs and highly paid support engineers will never find anything internal about it, so you end up building a complete SSO solution for AWS from scratch...

AWS sometimes feels like Debian's APT but everything is rewritten in java.

AWS SimpleDB is in Erlang :p

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I upvoted this for contributing a valuable and insightful clarification about how those two statements relate, but the part where you attribute "tactics" and "bias" to the journalist has no direct evidence and reads like a political meme. You may be convinced of your interpretation, but it's also likely that the journalist isn't rigorous enough to notice the distinction themselves, didn't have access to perfectly com…

Totally fair on the implying bias strictly on the journalist (which may or may not be there). Regardless of the awareness/intent of the given journalist, I do hope that we can find leaders (whether people/orgs/software) that can help improve our information environment to improve shared sensemaking. In an ideal world, non-rigorous journalists, arbitrary deadlines, and corner cutting because of school pickups shouldn'…

You're right in pointing this out. If it's not obvious that there is bias involved in the article, then criticism of it should include the other option of the journalist simply being incompetenct.

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Shows that a true minimum wage is not something the government can mandate. There is a natural minimum wage that the market determines. It depends on (at least) the nature of the work and the supply of potential employees. For warehouse work, it's apparently over 2x what the government says it should be.

The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery. Enlightened people have moved passed the idea that the “market” alone should determine the minimum wage.

> The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery.

Slaves are paid much more than that.

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The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery. Enlightened people have moved passed the idea that the “market” alone should determine the minimum wage.

Exactly. Ever heard of scrip[0]? We have historical proof that companies won't even pay their employees with real money unless the government mandates that they do so. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrip#Company_scrip

> We have historical proof that companies won't even pay their employees with real money unless the government mandates that they do so.

Well, we have historical proof that nearly all companies do pay with real money in the total absence of such government mandates. We definitely don't have proof of the proposition you claim, which is immediately falsified by the most cursory examination of history.

Note also that scrip is denominated in currency and accepted at par. The problem was generally not that you had a lot of scrip and couldn't spend it; the problem was that the company store charged high prices. But the store charged the same prices whether you were spending company scrip or currency.

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The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery. Enlightened people have moved passed the idea that the “market” alone should determine the minimum wage.

> The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery. Slaves are paid much more than that.

> Slaves are paid much more than that.

No, they aren’t.

Slaves have a higher total cost to employ than that, but none of it is wages.

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> The natural minimum wage that the market determines (absent all regulations) is $0 per hour and is called slavery. Slaves are paid much more than that.

> Slaves are paid much more than that. No, they aren’t. Slaves have a higher total cost to employ than that, but none of it is wages.

That's wrong; much of it is wages. Sometimes those wages are paid in cash, but in the more common case where they aren't, the slaves still get paid in food, clothing, and housing. Each of those is a direct transfer of value to the slave.

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You'd think they'd scrap the commercials and put the budget into improving working conditions if they really cared. I doubt the cost of the ads, plus the cost of the bad publicity, plus the cost of employee churn is really worth it. Why not just do the right thing? Even if it made them sightly less profitable, so what?

Having warehouse workers is not Amazon's long term plan. They will replace as many workers with robots as quickly as they can. Their strategy revolves around burning out the entire workforce and then perfecting their robots before they need to pay truly absurd packages. Since the workers are a short term solution treating them poorly and using ads to reel more suckers in is a viable strategy. The question is will the…

It's disgusting to treat people this way. You can replace people with robots and still treat them with respect.

I don't see it being very long until people get out their pitchforks.

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> Slaves are paid much more than that. No, they aren’t. Slaves have a higher total cost to employ than that, but none of it is wages.

That's wrong; much of it is wages. Sometimes those wages are paid in cash, but in the more common case where they aren't, the slaves still get paid in food, clothing, and housing. Each of those is a direct transfer of value to the slave .

I don't know where you get that idea. In the historical Deep South of the US, slaves had to work the plantation all day without pay, then go home and grow their own food on the worst strips of land not deemed worth cultivating by their owners.

Traditional African American foods, like hog jowls and chitterlings, were based on the discards that White slave owners would not eat.

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