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Post by GordonS »

exyi wrote: post #455
GordonS wrote: post #439

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What would you say are planned to be the primary selling points over VSCode?

From the other parts of the thread: Performance, maybe better collaboration?

Being honest, that doesn't sound too enticing.

Despite VSCode being an Electron app, I've never had any performance issues with it - really, it's a great example of how Electron can be done right.

On collaboration, I'm not sure what they might add that isn't already covered by GitHub/GitLab/AzDo etc. Again being honest, "collaboration" sounds like a weak Open Source pitch to VCs. I'd be interested in some details though, incase there is something truly novel here.

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Post by donatj »

doliveira wrote: post #660
skohan wrote: post #165

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Electron is both an amazing enabling technology, and also an artifact of the sad state of affairs for computing platforms. One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms. Instead we ended up in this bizzare world where if you want to maintain a desktop GUI app, you either need a large team to sup…

I'd describe it, together with Docker, as good solutions for problems we shouldn't have anymore

Replace "good" with "mostly workable" and I'm on board

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Post by infogulch »

nathansobo wrote: post #253

Founder of Atom here. We're building the spiritual successor to Atom over at https://zed.dev . We learned a lot with Atom and had a great time, but it always fell short of our vision. With Zed we're going to get it right. Written in Rust, custom native UI framework, engineered to be collaborative. Just starting our private alpha this week, so the timing of this announcement feels quite fitting. Here's a talk I gave l…

"collaborative" "Rust" "code editor" "CRDTs" is very reminiscent of Xi Editor by @raphlinus which shared all of these traits. Xi was abandoned with the conclusion that CRDTs aren't suitable as a basis for text editing interactions, or at least that implementation wasn't.

Is Zed related to Xi in history or as inspiration? Why are you confident that Zed will be able to overcome the issues that blocked Xi's advancement?

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by w0m »

_puk wrote: post #621
nh2 wrote: post #489

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> Sadly, Sublime is sort of dead. Sublime has ongoing development on https://www.sublimetext.com/dev and the last major release (4) was just about a year ago.

I was under the impression that the "forced" upgrade to Sublime 4 caught quite a few out, and may have been a nail in the coffin. I'm still rocking SLT 3, and it's my go-to for large file handling or just as a simple scratchpad, but development (of SLT) feels like it moves at a snails pace.

> but development (of SLT) feels like it moves at a snails pace.

This is how it's always been I think; their model.

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Post by bscphil »

Matl wrote: post #441
jeremyjh wrote: post #427

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Yes, you can argue for another plausible interpretation of those two words, but in actual usage "Native UI" has always meant the platform's native UI framework.

A lot of people started to refer to Qt as native around Electron's time. The only place where Qt is native as such in on a KDE Plasma/LxQt desktop.

You're correct, although Qt attempts to do fake native widgets on Win / Mac, and given how relatively lightweight it is compared to Electron, it's understandable how it became a obviously point of contrast with the latter, which doesn't even pretend to be native. Given a choice between the two I will obviously take fake native widgets over nothing.

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Post by petre »

franciscop wrote: post #374

Totally understandable, but the justification in the first paragraph of "Why are we doing this now?" seems a bit self-inflicted: • Atom has not had significant feature development for the past several years • (thus) Atom community involvement has declined significantly • (thus) we’ve decided to sunset Atom Feels a bit weird in that sequence to blame the community. Just say that YOU have abandoned the project since Mi…

This. I might as well try Spacemacs now as Emacs isn't getting 'sunsetted' anytime soon, plus it runs in Lisp. Vim user. It's just that Vim on a GUI doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So I went from Sublime Text to Atom just because Atom was open source. Tried VS Code several times and ditched it, as it was full of MS-isms. It had a bloody Twitter react button in the status bar and telemetry.

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Post by [deleted] »

civilized wrote: post #29
red_phone wrote: post #22

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I’m not sure the term has ever been applied to Microsoft’s own products…

Atom was developed before the acquisition. Which brings us to the second proud tradition of the tech titans, acquiring companies to end the products the acquirer doesn't like.

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Post by hansoolo »

diarrhea wrote: post #152
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

Well put. There's just no reason to move off VSCode so far (for Python and friends). In a couple weeks' time, I'll be working with C# in Visual Studio. It has me excited since I've heard many good things about Microsoft developer tooling, of which VS is a huge tool in the box (C# as a language also seems attractive).

Can confirm. Also that git integration that everyone talks about in Atom is built right in.

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Post by hansoolo »

reactspa wrote: post #197
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

Anyone else use Notepad++ ? Why not?

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