Live data from Hacker News

Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

sec.gov

661–670 of 1001 posts

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Elon run his companies any differently than the vast majority of tech companies out there?

He compensates below market and his employees are expected to work harder than big tech companies. He can get away with it at SpaceX because, well, spaaacccceeee! I'm not sure how he gets away with it at Tesla.

Racing cars and environmentalism is cooler than optimizating ad revenue.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#662

People hate Musk for the same reason they hated Jobs. They love living in their world but hate themselves for it. Think Different might have more than one meaning.

I don't think that's the case. I don't like Musk because he's all sizzle and very little in terms of steak with his products. Like the most useful any of his companies has done is the work with battery tech at Tesla. The rest has been copy and paste from research done in the past. Plus, he often bungles into the product development process on the technical parts often without any context for him to make anything close to a reasonable analysis. It's why so many engineers move on as soon as possible from his companies. He literally burns out folks not because he's magically brilliant but rather because he's unbearable and not a team player.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#663

It's either this or one of its competitors rises to take them on at some point and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That may be unavoidable anyways. I think people outside the SV bubble (I grew up there, don't live there anymore) don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Musk has his pulse on that, so I'm happy to see him step in and sha…

> and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics.

That's exactly where we are now? When twitter censors right of center ideas and de-platforms those who think them, we invariably seek refuge in alternatives that engender far more radical thinking than if we had stayed in a larger public discussion.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#664

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This development makes Trump being reinstated on Twitter more likely. His reinstatement would make a Trump presidency less likely, IMO. Most people (or at least HNers) would agree that decreasing the likelihood of another Trump presidency would be a good thing.

> This development makes Trump being reinstated on Twitter more likely. Maybe. > His reinstatement would make a Trump presidency less likely, IMO. That's...an interesting opinion, but I don't see any strong reason to believe it is true, or even more likely to be true than the opposite effect. > Most people (or at least HNers) would agree that decreasing the likelihood of another Trump presidency would be a good thing…

I understand he polls we’ll head to head, but most Americans would prefer he not be the next president (whether they prefer a democrat, republican, or something else). And I cannot imagine that most HNers want another Trump presidency.

I would speculate that part of the reason he’s polling so well (relatively speaking) right now is that he’s been off twitter for the last year.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#665

"For so long as Mr. Musk is serving on the Board and for 90 days thereafter, Mr. Musk will not, either alone or as a member of a group, become the beneficial owner of more than 14.9% of the Company’s common stock outstanding at such time, including for these purposes economic exposure through derivative securities, swaps, or hedging transactions." This is the second line in the linked filing, and something a number o…

> This is the second line in the linked filing, and something a number of people have not read. Not sure it's that it was left unread or if it just doesn't matter. As best as I can tell, it just means he won't overtly threaten the company with a takeover or equivalent because he's been given soft power to influence. My lay reading suggests that Twitter is now basically operating at his whims to keep him from leaving…

> My lay reading suggests that Twitter is now basically operating at his whims to keep him from leaving the board and executing a takeover plan 90 days thereafter.

Honestly, it might be amusing if he does do that. Twitter stock looks to still flat from the IPO price, even after the spike after this announcement.

I say, let him tie up a significant portion of his net worth in a vanity project with no real growth potential.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#666
post #565

It's either this or one of its competitors rises to take them on at some point and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That may be unavoidable anyways. I think people outside the SV bubble (I grew up there, don't live there anymore) don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Musk has his pulse on that, so I'm happy to see him step in and sha…

You mean like the news? As an experiment try this for two months. On month 1 - watch only CNN. On month 2 - watch only Fox. Maybe take a 1 week break between both and write down your thoughts on the world... very interesting how it evolves based on what you watch/listen too... From what I hear if you just watched Russian state media it'd be an even more extreme version. The great thing about our free society is you h…

Perhaps this is what is actually meant by "television programming"

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#667
post #175
post #13

He filed forms that he was going to be a passive investor, and the same day joined the board after discussion that had been in the works for weeks. This is strike two on misleading investors. I haven't seen analysis on whether it was illegal, but I wouldn't want somebody like him on my board even if it succeeded in keeping him from buying up more stock. With him on the outside, maybe he causes more trouble than on th…

>He filed forms that he was going to be a passive investor No he didn't.

If you’re going to write a terse, incorrect response, at least include a misleading source.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#668

It's either this or one of its competitors rises to take them on at some point and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That may be unavoidable anyways. I think people outside the SV bubble (I grew up there, don't live there anymore) don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Musk has his pulse on that, so I'm happy to see him step in and sha…

> and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That's exactly where we are now? When twitter censors right of center ideas and de-platforms those who think them, we invariably seek refuge in alternatives that engender far more radical thinking than if we had stayed in a larger public discussion.

how much of that is Twitter and how much of that is Fox News?

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What thousands of accounts did you follow that were banned? Give us a sampling.

ya, let us condescendingly judge you!

It is genuinely interesting to me. All of the uproar about “free speech” has been confusing to me. Who are these people being censored? What are they saying?

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

#670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, wha?

If you're wondering about the neutrality premise. The furthest ~25% on the left and right have an increasingly extreme, partisan, borderline psychotic view of the world that you're either with us or against us. That polarization has become radically more aggressive over the past decade. Just to use a simple example: someone might might say it's not enough to not oppose men becoming women and dominating female swimmin…

This doesn’t really make sense what you described isn’t actually a neutral stance — hell just the framing alone betrays your feelings. You’re already using extremely polarizing vocabulary in your attempt to be neutral.

Someone in support of trans men and women being able to compete would take issue with:

* “men becoming women” — transitioning doesn’t change your gender, it only aligns your outward appearance to the gender you have always been.

* “dominating female sports” — the whole point of the opposing view is specifically that trans women don’t dominate sports.

You’ve twisted it in such a way that even accepting the premise of your “neutral” statement is already super political.

Here’s a real neutral stance that would be accepted by people on both sides of this particular issue.

“I’m not qualified to have an opinion on this matter, the decision is best left to the athletic clubs and people more knowledgeable about the effects of HRT.”

Post reply on HN