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Google Search Is Dying

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Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

YaBomm wrote: post #325
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #59

Still in shock that they killed reverse image search and replaced it with some useless AI tech demo. It used to use the actual image and be able to provide context from where that image was found elsewhere. Now it seems to throw the image at AI and the AI will go "Oh that's a street" then they will just show you streets with similar colors as the image you put in. Completely useless for trying to locate what movie a…

try Yandex, it's really good

I mentioned it in the post. Extremely impressed with Yandex.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by Lascaille »

estaseuropano wrote: post #460

My firm belief is that what is missing are the librarians. Google used to rely on web archives and inter linkages between sites, but bad actors from blogspam to quora have gamed this system in every possible aspect. There are probably just too few reliable sites compared to the global mass proliferation of unreliable sites. Google will need to start taking tough, manual decisions on which sites to depritoritise in bo…

> which sites to depritoritise

But do you think there are actually enough good sites left that contain quality content? As has been mentioned elsewhere, are people actually still writing product reviews that are organic and not sponsored content?

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by afterburner »

Indeed, I came to the conclusion to search reddit for answers some time ago without any input by anyone (other than being a reddit user already). I want a frank discussion of the pros and cons of certain choices, not some obvious click-hungry promotional article with a bland rosy opinion.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by im3w1l »

zuminator wrote: post #640

Another aspect of Google that completely bugs me. Put in a search term. E.g. "fat wallet" " About 22,100,000 results " it says. Click through to the last page. " Page 6 of about 198 results (1.03 seconds) " So out of 22 million results, I can really only see 198?? That can't be right. Wait, it says, " In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 198 already displaye…

Just a thought but it may be an indicator of how much you can narrow it down by adding more keywords to your query.

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Post by glial »

zuminator wrote: post #640

Another aspect of Google that completely bugs me. Put in a search term. E.g. "fat wallet" " About 22,100,000 results " it says. Click through to the last page. " Page 6 of about 198 results (1.03 seconds) " So out of 22 million results, I can really only see 198?? That can't be right. Wait, it says, " In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 198 already displaye…

I was curious so I tried this and - yep! Same result. Very strange.

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Post by potatosack »

Both Google and Reddit are afraid of each other. Google doesn't want to show reddit results by default as it doesn't give them any revenue and doesn't want reddit to get too big and reddit is afraid Google might build a reddit alternative by including more and more reddit features within the search.

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Post by hnburnsy »

Lascaille wrote: post #586
coolso wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretly paid ads. There is so much shilling on Reddit if you knew it would blow your mind. I wish more people realized this. Reddit is the best place to shill because not only is it ridiculously simple, people also automatically assume you’re not shilling, and then once you seed the idea, eve…

Reddit also - in my opinon - actively enables shilling and botposting. Why do they have an API? A forum that's meant to be 100% about humans talking to humans doesn't need an API, so why does it expose one? Also the model of user-created and user-moderated subreddits actively enables the creation of shill accounts. It's trivial to create a subreddit and use it to farm karma with a ton of bots. If you can keep real us…

>A forum that's meant to be 100% about humans talking to humans doesn't need an API, so why does it expose one?

Third-party clients?

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by notacoward »

cosheaf wrote: post #23

It's already dead. Google mined all the links that were curated by the initial internet communities for all it was worth and turned them into profits for Google's earliest employees and shareholders. Now that no one is curating useful links anymore their search quality, unsurprisingly, is deteriorating. Without human curation there is no signal for Google to use anymore and whatever signal is there is just SEO spam t…

So basically Google is a parasite that killed its host. I really really like that analysis. Thanks!

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by wisty »

softwarebeware wrote: post #6

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

Google's problem is they've virtually nothing (given their resources) to "commoditizing their complement". https://www.gwern.net/Complement

Google's compliment is web sites. What have they done to make a web site easier to make?

They even killed their RSS feed. They have released a bit of web tech, but their offerings are generally a bit sad or only solve Google problems (e.g. Go).

If you want to distribute an .exe or .app, MS and Apple have released some pretty good tools to help. If you want to write a blog or make a simple web app, it's unlikely you're going to think "Google has some great stuff to help, and has awesome tools". Mozilla's web resources are better. Microsoft's web resources are better.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

Not sure if Google’s fault only, but searching for programming related content is much, much worse than it used to be. It is extremely difficult to get Google to show deeply technical content, presumably because it falls outside of the majority of search terms.
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