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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by newswasboring »

Hermel wrote: post #609
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

> But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons

How is this unethical?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by aqme28 »

klagermkii wrote: post #581
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

> I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide... If problems show up I'm happy to have legislation introduced to tackle those

Then that's not the "free market" that you support, just "markets."

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by aenis »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Precisely. If one pays me $100 to not say "cucumber" today, thats not censorship. If one tells me not to say "heil hitler!" at their garden party, thats also not censorship. Surely there are other garden parties where such statements are welcome - Or I am free to throw my own.

Now, if I can't say "cucumber" at all, in any context, whether I entered in any agreement or not - thats censorship.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by cfn »

emn13 wrote: post #623
DeWilde wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> JR sold his catalog of intellectual property Not entirely correct, it is a licensing deal, with exclusivity to Spotify. JR is still the owner of the IP, however, it can only be distributed through Spotify. But your point still stands, Spotify chooses what they will distribute, which is okay. My only gripe, in this whole Spotify/Rogan saga, is with the mainstream media that sees Rogan as a threat to their business m…

Let me go off on a slight tangent: Should all jokes be taken at face value? Communication is a complex business, and surely what's literal is largely irrelevant; what matters is what is communicated; i.e. what a recipient learns from whatever signals you transmit. JR is deceptive not because every spoken word he says taken in isolation is false, but because the way he frames and presents various sources leads listene…

It should be up to the listeners to judge the content of JR. Not someone with a blue pencil (or was it a red pencil). There is no possible justification in a free society to censor someone just because someone might be mislead by them. It is patronizing to think that we know better and so should decide for the rest what is available or not.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by aqme28 »

meatsauce wrote: post #658

Rogan needs to sue them for breach and walk away with millions.

1) He walks away with millions either way. He was paid $100 million

2) Is it breach? Is that against the terms of his deal? I would assume that Spotify has reserved the right to limit content it doesn't like.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by twmiller »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #553
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. C'mon, you know these claimants only mean "I want a free market for me".

This is blatently obvious in America right now. A LOT of voices crying out against the 'cancel culture' are the first to line up when it comes to canceling something THEY don't like.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by daveFNbuck »

klagermkii wrote: post #581
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

> Likewise if the free market is used as a way to reduce the availability of content, I can be against that while still supporting it as a guiding concept.

Joe Rogan being on Spotify is entirely about limiting the availability of his podcast. They're paying him to not make his episodes available outside of Spotify.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by xyzwave »

Talanes wrote: post #300
DantesKite wrote: post #187

I'm curious if he said the n-word in any of the episodes. The Rock just announced on Twitter some news about finding out just how much Joe Rogan used that slur. News spreads fast in Hollywood circles. Maybe Spotify is trying to get ahead of the curve before any more controversies break out.

I've never really listened to his show, but surely if he was just casually dropping n-words on air it wouldn't be a thing just popping up now.

I’ve only heard him say this once or twice and it was always when he was direct quoting someone else.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Notanothertoo »

kzrdude wrote: post #590
aneil wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was Joe's content to do with as he pleased, and his decision was to sell it and allow someone else to do with it as they pleased. That's simple enough, but it's also simplistic because it assumes that property rights are the only thing we should care about. Which value is more important - property rights (which depend on socialized services like justice and enforcement) or free speech (which thrive by removing reg…

> free speech (which thrive by removing regulation) How do we know this? Many markets show that they work best with a goldilocks-level of just-right regulation, and the level depends on the market.

None of the current markets are sustainable
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