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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’
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#662We still don't know if the omicron variant leads to "long COVID".[1] We'll know some time in February. That has a big effect on what to do next. Omicron-specific vaccines are in test. Moderna's should be out in Fall 2022. Pfizer claims March 2022.[2] The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3]…
Nice to seeing that "hang tight for 3 weeks, we'll know more then" is still effective after 2 years.
We will know more in a month. Doesn't mean the news will be good.
JAMA article from last summer.[1] "Long COVID" is still hard to understand, but there are objective measurements, and they are not encouraging.
"Increased oxygen requirement was reported in nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 survivors (3 studies; median [IQR], 65.0% [39.3%-76.1%]). ... Overall, chest imaging abnormalities were present in a median (IQR) of 62.2% (45.8%-76.5%) of survivors (4 studies)."
That's from August 2021, so that's the original variant. Omicron, it's too soon to tell.
[1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…
> Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US […] it has become politically incorrect to have a personal principle or conviction that contradicts the approved viewpoint, or otherwise goes against the grain. I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. The 1798 Sedition Act ‘made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its…
The 1798 Sedition Act - during the second Presidency in the history of the country - expired in 1801. Which does a better job of debasing the point you're trying to make than supporting it. It was less than a blip.
> I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past.
And your attempt to use the historically trivial 1798 Sedition Act in the manner that you did indicates you may have the opposite and mistaken mental image. If anything the US learned from the Sedition Act and became better for that very short-lived mistake.
Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’
#664The best thing everyone can do is to go get Omnicron, give it to everyone quickly, so that we can all synchronize our collective immune effort. Quarantine is the antithesis to that, and can throw away this opportunity. Don't get vaccinated, get Omnicron. Go get Omnicron, and give it to everyone, before we miss this small window.
wtf?
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#665Great article! Just a week or two ago on this forum there were people willing to treat me like a far right conservative or a general anti-vaxxer from the facebook troll factory, just because I didn't like a private institution’s booster mandate. That was fascinating.
Welcome to the internet. Some of it stems from exhaustion. People sense any sort of deviation from the official dogma and they assume you're another idiot who they'll end up arguing with. It's sad. There is a lot of nuance to many of our cherished positions and discussion strengthens the truth but many people just get offended by genuine curiosity.
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#666I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…
> We're still very unclear on the long-term effects of COVID, after all.
And even less so the vaccines.
When your kids catch COVID they will have mild symptoms for a day or two and bounce back much faster than you or I. And yes it's a "when", not an "if". Vaccinating them against this virus is lunacy. There have been no long term studies on these shots.
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So I'll ask the same question that I've yet to receive a concrete response to: How long is long enough before you'll trust the vaccine? A solid number, in years please. Every anti-vaxxer I've asked that to has hand-waved the question away, because they know if they say something like "I need a minimum of 20 years before I'll trust a vaccine" they'll sound paranoid, which they are. Also their timespan is almost certai…
I've seen enough already to know the risk reward isn't worth it for myself or my children. Myself and my immediate relatives suffered too many negative side effects. FIL still in ICU for stroke two weeks after vax, wife severe migraine for ninety days and me with blood clots.
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#668I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…
I think the CDC did as good as you could when you design by committee. I didn't have any trouble following their recommendations or logic. It was an ongoing problem with incomplete knowledge on their part. It's certainly better than what Fox News was spewing. Science is ugly, but it is self-correcting, Fox and antivax people are not. At least that's how I see it.
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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.
45 years old and I've had Omicron since Christmas, still sick, still tired. I miss the flu.
I had the delta variant a few months back and it was so mild, I first thought it was just allergies. 2nd day, got a little bit of a tingly nose, stuffy, couldn't quite smell, but could still taste fine. 3rd day, same symptoms, 4th day, I was almost better completely. Fast forward about 1.5 months after I had that Delta coronavirus variant, and I got bronchitis from my young daughter. My ears became stuffed up for weeks, I had a bad cough for nearly 20 days before it was out of my system. The Delta variant was nothing to me. Here's more of that "anecdata."
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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.
What about "long COVID"? There are some studies suggesting sudden spikes in kids becoming diabetic after having COVID. These long term health impacts will take years to be known and fully understood. Getting COVID is to be avoided at all costs, IMO.
There's no avoiding it.