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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Parent didn't say it's not possible, and your situation is anecdotal. If over 50% of people (and growing) say their relationship started on OLD, it's easy to say you're limiting your options by not participating [0] [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-ab...

If over 50% of people (and growing) say their relationship started on OLD [...] I just skimmed the article, but it seems to say that even among the youngest age group only 48% have used dating apps and only 17% were in resulting relationship.

Correct.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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> So right now it's pretty much considered impolite / not socially acceptable to ask someone out except on dating apps Says who?

If you're in your mid-20s in most US metro areas (except in the South, perhaps) - this is what it's like.

> If you're in your mid-20s in most US metro areas (except in the South, perhaps) - this is what it's like

Says who? Have you stepped out during a weekend in a US metro city? To popular nightspots? No app needed to meet and socialise with attractive people - strangers or an extended social circle. In fact some might even say it is like shooting fish in a barrel

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Chargebacks are a thing, and they do punish bad actors.

Thing is, you probably don't want to chargeback in this scenario because the app charges through Apple's billing system.

That’s even easier. Contact Apple and ask for a refund.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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> When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. I read this article (a long time ago) about a NYC girl who was saying that investing $30/mo on a Match.com account was the best investment she had made, as it meant she'd get treated to top restaurants, etc. by the guys for free.

To be fair, men do it too! https://la.eater.com/2019/1/17/18186932/dine-dash-dater-arre...

This is the lamest whataboutism I've seen.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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It doesn't matter if you receive a license and not ownership of a physical good or copyright, it still comes down to contract law. If the company you are buying the license from revokes it, and doesn't uphold their side of the contract you can sue them for breach of contract. A contract term that says they can revoke the license at any time for no reason, without refund is unconscionable and unenforceable. Basically…

Contract law allows very wide variety of contracts, and Apple/Google/whatevs have enough expensive lawyers to write the contract that means "you have rights to whatever we allow you and we can revoke it any time we want without any recourse to you". As for the judge - the economics of going to the judge - which would cost you four figures just to start, five to six if you want any real results - is not exactly in you…

Just because they are a big company doesn't mean everything they do is legal. The legal system exists exactly to stop this kind of behavior. You can go to small claims for under $100 out of pocket, and you generally get these fees reimbursed if you win. In many cases just filing a lawsuit is enough to get them to settle and provide a refund, because they would spend more money sending someone to court(and probably lose anyways).

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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I met my wife when she tapped me on the shoulder in a public place and introduced herself. I just smiled and nodded and ended up with a date - I think I might have gotten my name out at some point -- not sure. She calls me by the correct name now, 20+ years later in any case. Online dating sites/apps seem like they'd be a nightmare.

> Online dating sites/apps seem like they'd be a nightmare. So right now it's pretty much considered impolite / not socially acceptable to ask someone out except on dating apps. This is definitely a downside. But the upside is that a match on a dating app is an explicit acknowledgement of mutual interest, so it's clear that you're meeting up to go on a date and not just hanging out.

Don't worry, not caring about social norms is attractive

Just make a move in real life

The problem with dating app is exactly what you mentioned: if you both know you're there to date or fool around there's no uncertainty, no tension.

You're missing out on the feeling on trying to pickup a beautiful girl and succeeding.

Besides, girls, unlike boys, compete mainly on looks. It's natural dating app will break the balance in favor women, and that's exactly what happens. Men have a tenth of the matches and are selected by women according to beauty standards instead of being evaluated by their behaviour, providing a terrible filter for dating. If in person you had a chance with some jokes and some confidence, you'll never pass the selection with that nose.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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> When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. I read this article (a long time ago) about a NYC girl who was saying that investing $30/mo on a Match.com account was the best investment she had made, as it meant she'd get treated to top restaurants, etc. by the guys for free.

To be fair, men do it too! https://la.eater.com/2019/1/17/18186932/dine-dash-dater-arre...

That's different

Despite "feminism", women can easily get a free dinner out of a date.

I have a friend who got into dating (think a different girl every night) and had a budget in the thousands per month just for dates.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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> In the future, people will be trying to please the algorithm. They will double-check if what they are doing right now could be considered by algorithms as something strange, something that most people wouldn’t do.

That's the real "Terminator" of today. It's not time-travelling killer robots (yet?). It's letting algorithms deciding the fate of humans. That's especially problematic if the developers of those algorithms don't even understand them (yes, I'm looking at you, neutral networks).

Tinder is one thing, but imagine some algorithm identifies you as a terrorist. E.g., via cameras at every airport. My favorite example is a couple that ordered a steam cooker and a backpack online. Some days later some federal agents knocked at their door. Apparently, these two items raise flags in their algorithms.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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I was banned for trying to create a 2nd account for my business.

Not bad! Perhaps people on Instagram don't want to see "businesses"?

I'm ok with that, if so. I find it's just a weird situation. They are in the middle, moderating what people "want", I suppose. I see a lot of other businesses succeeding there, though.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Ok. But social media use itself has to be placed in context of the larger attention economy. For example, is it worse than watching TV/cable/netflix/gaming/multiplayer gaming/crafting hobbies/reading books etc etc? To answer my own question, I think Social Media is worse than the other options mentioned above and so I have long drifted off FB. And most of my friends on FB are continuing longstanding relationships. Bu…

The difference between liking/enjoying and gaining benefit I think is crucial here. It's akin to the difference between pleasure and happiness. No doubt the vast majority of people (if not everyone) on social media gains some pleasure from it. But as far as increasing happiness, aiding in quality of life and well-being and similar measures, it - in general - does not move the needle and not infrequently pulls in the…

I largely agree with you. You make a compelling case for meaningful interactions over the trite. You make good points as to like vs benefit, the possible detriment of a battery of one-off interactions, the failures of humans to recognise their own state/risk.

I feel we could go listing more things around social media and this post could go on forever. But I won't, because of the below.

Every person is acting in their own perceived self interest. Including me.

So for myself, because of many of the reasons you state, I largely gave up on FB. I think I am better off for it due to more meaningful real world interactions.

But then with a social group in the real world space do I need to continue adding friends all the time via HN? Not really. Cue Seinfeld "I'm sure you're a very nice person you seem to have a lot of potential, but we're just not hiring right now." Maybe I am doing myself a disservice by not "socially climbing" but honestly at some point, I can only do so much. I love the people I do, and I am content with that.

But - like the world in general - HN as a site has some amazing people. And what I glean from this site through "literature like" reading I feel benefits me.

And then, like you, I comment occasionally - in the vein of HN trying to make it a positive contribution - so as to try to return to someone else a similar benefit as I feel I have received. I try not to be trite. I try not to worry as to whether a comment is well received as long as I have tried to make a decent contribution. I don't always succeed of course, and maybe that's where the detriment sets in.

But - despite the evidence that social media is only good for pursuing deeper and more meaningful relationships - I don't feel I need to be a particular friend of yours to try add a thoughtful reply. It doesn't mean I love you any less however. Hell, maybe a meaningful relationship will develop of it's own natural accord as we both live on. But it's not my aim.

Have a great day, whether you celebrate Xmas or not.

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