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Update on Omicron

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Re: Update on Omicron

#661
post #576

good twitter thread that provides a level-headed perspective based on what we actually currently know: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/146422268073182004...

Hmmm this goes against what the RKI is saying. Omicron is indeed very infectious, as the data has certainly shown so far.

This appears to be an individual in the thought camp of "we don't know if it's a big deal so let's not treat it like one". I disagree, personally - we did that the first time and it made things worse. Why risk it?

Re: Update on Omicron

#662
post #657

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of ignorance here. The current measures in place are simply preventive, more in the lines of caution and unnecessary spread, mainly to save our Public Health Service from overdrive and spare medical professionals that are exhausted at this point in time. We don't want to have unnecessary stress that hurts the whole health system, and compromises other health services. The vaccines are working exceptionally well…

No, Portugal had initial high fatalities in 2020 and 2021. You are just regurgitating mainstream in a hostile manner.

Your point is?

You're saying that Portugal had high death rates prior to vaccinations, fueled by an uncontrolled spread?

Re: Update on Omicron

#663
I am so tired of this bullshit, it's so damn tiring. Everything feels, just so very useless, its just sad to see how much this thing has effected everyone, everyone I love, every stranger I see, we are all getting pushed to the limits, people are depressed some people are suffering in silence while governments and organizations like the WHO are not telling us exactly what's going on, they change the narrative everyday, apparently its a lab leak, apparently its not, sometimes its bats that caused this, sometimes its some poor nobody at a wet market who caused all this, you listen to ten experts and you hear 20 different stories.

I don't know what to believe in anymore, no matter how much I follow the rules, wear masks, take care to social distance myself from others this things doesn't seem to go away.

The media says its the fault of the people who are not social distancing, they are saying the vaccine will work, just two shots they said, then it became 3, and now apparently we might need to keep taking this vaccine longer. Oh no what? there's another version and the vaccine I took are no longer useful?

Apparently the people concerned about governments using this opportunity to grab more power to keep us all in order are crazy antivaxers, the moment you step out of line you become a "non believer" in science, the moment someone questions science they become an idiot a hillbilly a tinfoil wearing lunatic. Apparently we should all fall in line and listen or else we are the problem.

Reasonable people I knew in my life are now getting more and more agitated, many people are angry, many people are lost and suffering in silence. The rich are getting richer, the powerful are getting away even after they were caught abusing children just because their mother is a powerful person.

Somethings gotta give, we are at our limits now.

Re: Update on Omicron

#664
Reminder that face coverings/surgical masks have very little impact, and may even be worse than no mask. Wear N95 respirator masks if you worried, those have been shown to reduce exposure by about 44% (edit sorry 44% is how much got through, so I guess that makes a 66% improvement).

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.long "Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

Edit: I just noticed the authors have added a comment re. Covid, which I will copy in full...

"Critical shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE) have resulted in the US Centers for Disease Control downgrading their recommendations for health workers treating COVID-19 patients from respirators to surgical masks and finally to home-made cloth masks. As authors of the only published randomised controlled clinical trial of cloth masks, we have been getting daily emails about this from health workers concerned about using cloth masks. The study found that cloth mask wearers had higher rates of infection than even the standard practice control group of health workers, and the filtration provided by cloth masks was poor compared to surgical masks. At the time of the study, there had been very little work done in this space, and so little thought into how to improve the protective value of the cloth masks. Until now, most guidelines on PPE did not even mention cloth masks, despite many health workers in Asia using them.

Health workers are asking us if they should wear no mask at all if cloth masks are the only option. Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected. We recommend that health workers should not work during the COVID-19 pandemic without respiratory protection as a matter of work health and safety. In addition, if health workers get infected, high rates of staff absenteeism from illness may also affect health system capacity to respond. Some health workers may still choose to work in inadequate PPE. In this case, the physical barrier provided by a cloth mask may afford some protection, but likely much less than a surgical mask or a respirator.

It is important to note that some subjects in the control arm wore surgical masks, which could explain why cloth masks performed poorly compared to the control group. We also did an analysis of all mask wearers, and the higher infection rate in cloth mask group persisted. The cloth masks may have been worse in our study because they were not washed well enough – they may become damp and contaminated. The cloth masks used in our study were products manufactured locally, and fabrics can vary in quality. This and other limitations were also discussed.

There are now numerous reports of health workers wearing home made cloth masks, or re-using disposable mask and respirators, and asking for guidance. If health workers choose to work in these circumstances, guidance should be given around the use.

There have been a number of laboratory studies looking at the effectiveness of different types of cloth materials, single versus multiple layers and about the role that filters can play. However, none have been tested in a clinical trial for efficacy. If health workers choose to work using cloth masks, we suggest that they have at least two and cycle them, so that each one can be washed and dried after daily use. Sanitizer spray or UV disinfection boxes can be used to clean them during breaks in a single day. These are pragmatic, rather than evidence-based suggestions, given the situation.

Finally for COVID-19, wearing a mask is not enough to protect healthcare workers – use of gloves and goggles are also required as a minimum, as SARS-CoV-2 may infect not only through the respiratory route, but also through contact with contaminated surfaces and self-contamination.

Governments and hospitals should plan and stockpile proper disposable products such as respirators and surgical masks to ensure the occupational health and safety of health workers. This appears to have been a failure in many countries, including high income countries"

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.responses#covid-...

Re: Update on Omicron

#665

For those commenting that it's just common cold and about herd immunity, I think we should not miss out on overload on our medical system. This is what happened in India, due to high number of cases (even if mild) the medical infrastructure completely crashed under the load and lead to far more deaths than just a flu could have caused. Wear mask and stay indoors if possible

> Wear mask and stay indoors if possible For all we know about transmission, you should stay outdoors, if possible. If this isn't possible, maximize ventilation. Limit contacts in general. Masks have a very modest impact on transmission.

If masks didn’t work, surly we’d all have anecdotes of people catching covid while wearing a masks. I literally have not heard of a single story. Everyone I know who has caught covid was maskless (not even stories of people wearing masks poorly).

Re: Update on Omicron

#666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but no. I have already lost 2 years of my life just following and obeying the orders. Enough is enough. This is not on me to solve. The government had enough time to convince everyone to vaccinate or prepare the healthcare sector for influx of cases of unvaccinated.

How was the government supposed to convince anti-vaxxers to do what they believe contains micro chips or what they believe is worse than the virus itself? This isn't on the government, this is on anti-vaxxers for swallowing garbage information, hook line and sinker. And you didn't lose 2 years of your life. You're alive, you didn't die due to the pandemic, did you? That's much less than can be said for 5 million othe…

Two years isn’t an inconceivable time to build additional hospital capacity and attempt efforts at preventing normal causes of medial and nursing school drop outs in order to bolster the number of adequately trained medical professionals available to staff those hospitals. In fact a lot of countries have an artificial cap on the number of doctors and nurses which is driven by various medical professional associations, the government could easily have said “STFU, well take as many doctors and nurses as the universities can graduate” to these “industry self regulations”.

Re: Update on Omicron

#667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Edit: Prove me wrong. That's not how the burden of proof works, Mr Crowder. Go home.

The definition of the Coronavirus in the AMA medical Encyclopedia textbook. https://www.bitchute.com/video/UvuXzdVwj3ed/ Proved right again.

If you actually think that your video means anything, you're too unwise to realize how unintelligent this sounds. A coronavirus is a type of virus, as an educated person and barely-sentient animal that can read a Wikipedia article both know. Did the "common cold" kill people like this in the "80s"? No? Then go home, Mr Crowder, and stop spreading misinformation. You don't understand what's going on.

But if you're willing to respond, and in case any other readers still believe you, what's a "rhinovirus" and why does the internet suggest that that is the "common cold"?

Re: Update on Omicron

#668
post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm inconvenienced and no longer care if others die because of it!"

"I am not arguing in good faith nor do I have an ounce of empathy for someone that have not seen family and loved ones for more than 2 years".

I'll be sure to tell that to my neighbor who lost both of her parents and a sister to COVID before the vaccines were available. I'm sure she'll understand.

If omicron is actually a breakthrough variant, I'm sure all the people who are about to die will also understand how hurt your feelings are.

I'm merely pointing out the selfishness in your stance and how harmful it is to the overall efforts of the medical community. That's not bad faith.

We've all had an absolutely shit time. You're not special.

Re: Update on Omicron

#669
This whole thing will never end, will it ? Should we be prepared to live with masks, mandatory vaccination, QR codes and worse for the rest of our lives ?

Re: Update on Omicron

#670

Reminder that face coverings/surgical masks have very little impact, and may even be worse than no mask. Wear N95 respirator masks if you worried, those have been shown to reduce exposure by about 44% (edit sorry 44% is how much got through, so I guess that makes a 66% improvement). https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.long "Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with t…

Cloth masks may not help much to protect those who wear them, but they reduce the amount of aerosol they emit, and reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus.
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