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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #601
nullify88 wrote: post #583

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> There is no attack surface for any kernel - the only thing there would be a bug in mms. Please share your source for kernel attacks, on any android version This is after one hasty search. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2016-10-01 There are various kernel level vulnerabilities listed. Some weakening privacy over tcp connections, others locally exploitable via a malicious app such as Pegasus. I don't un…

I'll start by saying I spent a full 5 minutes reading through those and gave up. I asked for an example, you pasted twenty pages of random garbage and said "here, maybe you'll find something in this dump I took - why don't you spend some time and maybe I'll prove you wrong." In those five minutes of looking through your garbage dump, I found Zero vulnerabilities that do not need either you installing a virus, which t…

Do you also run all your programs as root on desktop? Wtf.

Also, regarding your previous post, modern Android and ios is lightyears ahead in security than any desktop os out there, for good reason (majority of people interact with their phones, and store much more sensitive data there)

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #596
TimeBearingDown wrote: post #572

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Smartphones aren’t servers, but they run tons of services that interact with the surrounding world. Bluetooth, WiFi, etc… The kernel also still plays a vital and security-meaningful role in processing calls from applications. Running an out of date kernel could mean strangers ransoming your data, or could mean an attack becomes persistent and starts logging and uploading through reboots. Running an out of date kernel…

We are not talking about datacenter servers - we are talking about smartphones. you can run a 4.9 kernel with all security patches applied, just like you can run windows10 with all security patches applied. You can update bluetooth and wifi modems without going to a later kernel version. We call those drivers, not kernels. The issue you note is only exploitable via a bug if you have an outdated version of the chrome…

Good luck finding drivers for phone wifi, bluetooth, etc. That’s the fking problem — linux doesn’t have a stable driver api, so the binary blobs drivers will not allow people upgrading major linux kernel versions.

If everyone around you is stupid, then maybe you don’t understand the topic at hand?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #610
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

Wasn't Apple intentionally slowing older phones with updates? I remember reading some news about it.

They throttled performance depending on battery capacity, because the alternative was that the battery could not keep up with a sudden spike, powering off completely.

The problem was that they didn’t notify users, and after people in France winning a lawsuit, they now have it opt in I think? Nonetheless, it was a feature made in good faith.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by pgAdmin4 »

r_klancer wrote: post #482
marginalia_nu wrote: post #126

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I stopped looking at what the marketers tell me I'm supposed to want in a phone, and went shopping for phones that have what I actually want: Durability and battery life. I've started getting those rugged phones of the sort they market at construction workers. They're brilliant. Water/mud/dust/salt resistant, you can drop them however many times you feel like without cracking the screen, battery life is alomost two d…

Actually, I'm very rough with my phones and considered buying a ruggedized phone, but went with a Pixel 5. It has a rubberized back and has held up very well over the last 10 months of use with only a screen protector (no case). In fact, it held up better than my previous phone, a Moto Z2 Force I bought because Toms Hardware Guide named it the most durable: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/toughest-smartphone-drop-t…

I have pixel3a without any case or screen protector. I am using it from last 2 years and it dropped like 100 times, so far no issue. Still going strong. Waiting for Pixel 6Pro to be launched in India.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by user-the-name »

DeathArrow wrote: post #610
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

Wasn't Apple intentionally slowing older phones with updates? I remember reading some news about it.

Apple was intentionally lowering power usage on old phones with failing batteries, in order to prolong battery life and get you more use out of them.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by brainwipe »

rumblerock wrote: post #333
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

As a former Pixel user that switched because I broke the phone and had an extra iPhone in the family, there are a number of reasons I'm heavily considering switching back (had been an Android user since 2009). 1. Spam call screening is nonexistent on the iPhone, and T-Mobile's blocker still lets a ton of them through. In my prior experience Google did a much better job in this department. It would be nice to pick up…

FYI Airpods work with Android devices. No idea about your watch.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by rjzzleep »

harpratap wrote: post #566
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I think it's more NTT and Sony. Every single Felica card in Japan is manufactured by Sony. Either way it doesn't matter. It actually is a shame, because most countries that did buy felica are dropping it because of licensing even though it's technically better than any of the competitors. Regardless of that Apple managed to get global felica into their phones since the iPhone 8. Googles japanese google pay is just a…

Even for Apple, the most profitable smartphone OEM, it took them many years and so much engineering effort to make it work. They started with iPhone 7 JP edition, next their "Global NFC" iPhone X,8 series was pretty much a failure[1]. I can see why Android OEMs don't want to pursue providing solution to a technology that isn't widely adopted, is expensive to implement and has minimal user base [1] https://atadistance…

What are you talking about? So many incorrect statements and false statements in such a short comment with a post as reference that actually conflicts with what you said.

iPhone 7 was successful. So was iPhone 8. iPhone X NFC failure was just that. An iPhone X NFC defect. They knew it was defective and they released it anyway. All the felica magic is in their secure element and they had it nailed down in iPhone 7 already. iPhone X NFC isn't just defective in Japan, it's defective globally. Another contributor to iPhone X's failure in Japan was the lack of TouchID.

Also Android OEMs have had Felica support forever, but only in Japan and only using specific secure elements. The issue here is that Google kept telling everyone how HCF without SE is as secure as having a secure element and kept trying to push that narrative until they didn't. Pixel phones now have two secure elements, one comes with the NFC chipset they choose - usually from NXP-, and one is their own.

Basically every bigger Android phone manufacturer nowadays has their own secure element. Oppo, Samsung, Google, Huawei. The most absurd is probably Samsung's Knox that trips when you unlock(iPhone works fine after resetting it even if you jailbreak it). And on top of that every countries NFC programming is region specific. Hongkong Knox can do Octopus, Taiwan Knox can do Easycard, Japan can do osaifu keitai(probably not stored in knox though).

This is not entirely Googles fault, but they deserve a pretty huge share of the blame. At least for the fragmentation of the payment SE solutions. And again, they've had 3 or 4 iterations of Google Pay in the way.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by pja »

feanaro wrote: post #618
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Quality of the basics matters. Folks like to say they don’t need a fast processor, because all they do is browse the web. If you open the messages app and browser 50x per day (which seems like a conservative estimate) and load the maps app a few times a week, the speed differential between devices adds up. Personally, I find the annoyance factor more bothersome than the raw hours of wasted human lifetime. Side by sid…

> Side by side, my iPhone 12 takes several seconds less to open Firefox than pixel 4. It takes seconds for your phones to open Firefox?! My Xiaomi Mi A3 opens it without a noticeable delay.

My Pixel 4a opens Firefox in ~ a second from a cold start. I’d have to film it to get an accurate figure, but it’s definitely not multiple seconds.

Maybe they’re opening a very Javascript heavy homepage (and what site isn’t Javascript heavy in the modern ad-laden world?) and is including the download & render time in that measurement?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lotsofpulp »

simondotau wrote: post #634
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> The majority of people who want a smaller phone do so because phones aren't so important to them. I flat out disagree with this sentiment. People who don't care about their phone that much will buy whatever fits their personal needs (usually what is least expensive), while a person who specifically in today's market opts to purchase a smaller phone is doing so with intention. Sure, a cheaper iPhone would probably s…

> I flat out disagree with this sentiment. Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But really we're all just guessing. My guess is that the iPhone 12/13 Mini has potential appeal to two markets: • Someone who wants a flagship device, who places positive value in smaller size, and is not price sensitive; • Someone who wants a premium device, who places negative value in larger size, and is moderately price sensitive…

> With the anemic sales of the last two generations of mini iPhone

The 13 mini just came out less than a month ago. How do you have data for its sales?

The 12 mini was announced 5 months after the 2020 SE, which itself was announced 4 years after the previous smaller phone, the 2016 SE. I suspect many people, like myself, who waited years for a new smaller phone jumped on the 2020 SE when we would have purchased a 12 mini instead.

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