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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by rtkwe »

timr wrote: post #203
valine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

There's a vast gulf between "Rogan should be more careful about bringing on and platforming people especially if he's going to support or validate what they say" and "Joe Rogan shouldn't be allowed to do his podcast."

Also the absolutist position ignores the limited capacity both in raw time and cognitively to take in information and that pushing people to do better about not spewing out or supporting bullshit is also free speech..

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dharma1 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #142

Spotify is just not set up for long-form video content. The discovery aspect of YouTube is one reason why it reels you in. You're scrolling through your feed, you see an interesting clip, and you click on it. Another big part of YouTube is the comment section. Spotify lacks on both fronts. I also think the JRE clips were a big part of what sucked people into watch full epsiodes. If a 5-7 minute JRE clip were interest…

JRE clips still get posted on YouTube but not the full recordings, which is annoying. I haven’t listened to many recently as a result. Just giving people the freedom to listen/watch wherever they like would be best. I usually prefer YouTube for podcasts - video, easy access and sharing, timeline sections, comments, recommendations, no ads and background audio with YouTube premium)

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Post by kadoban »

WalterBright wrote: post #502
kadoban wrote: post #491

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Is which object orbits which actually relative to a reference frame though? Does not seem like it should be. The Sun has a certain mass, the Earth has a certain mass, the center of the point of orbit of both (barycenter? That seems to be the right term) is inside of the Sun no matter what frame you hang out in. What am I missing?

You can set up whatever frame of reference works best for a situation. We do it all the time. It's very convenient for us earthers to use a geocentric framing of the universe for our daily life, where the skies revolve around the Earth. We do it every day. Such as the word "sunrise" is very geocentric. We don't even have a word for the heliocentric term for the same thing. We also use geocentric phrases like "jets ch…

You can use whatever frame of reference you want, sure. Does there exist one in which the Sun orbits the Earth though? I don't think so. Those examples sound either metaphorical or about angular position/velocity, not orbit.

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Post by blueprint »

fridif wrote: post #574
blueprint wrote: post #475

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who does?

The people in this thread that think Joe cares about what the viewers think. He publicly said he doesn't care about deleted episodes and censorship, just there to collect Spotify money. Good for him, he has a goal and he is executing it.

I mean who specifically

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by [deleted] »

mavhc wrote: post #460
0xy wrote: post #412

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CDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use. There was no new information. There were only lies.

That's because they were dealing with idiots, if you don't want to be treated like idiots, don't be idiots.

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Post by beerandt »

titzer wrote: post #259
throwawayboise wrote: post #246

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You see an equivalency between discussing new vaccine technologies for a novel virus, and discussing whether the Sun orbits the Earth?

Yeah, when they spout obviously false, easily-checkable things like "it alters your DNA" that are clearly intended to scare people.

It's a plausible enough mistake to have happened before. Which to me, is good enough reason to not outright dismiss it as "obviously false".

Some Polio vaccines were contaminated with SV40 for years, and it does, in fact, alter human DNA.

For COVID-19, there have been at least 2 major cases of live virus vaccine contamination and recall. In the case of the Sputnik vaccine in Brazil and South Africa, there are claims that at least some made it into patients.

And then the "Baltimore Factory" testimony before Congress included company executives admitting to making ~100 million contaminated doses, more than the number of safe doses they had produced.

So this "don't mind him, he does conspiracies" attitude isn't doing anything except getting nods from those that don't need convincing, and proving to skeptics that you have a knowledge gap, whether it's ultimately relevant or true (or not).

I don't think it's currently happening happening here (at a minimum, adenovirus doesn't alter your DNA), but I also think it's just as reckless to imply that any concerns aren't legitimate or that it's impossible.

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Post by syshum »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

I can not stand Spotify for Podcasts, I am premium member for Music, but I listen to Zero Podcasts on Spotify and do not plan to

PocketCasts is FAR FAR better for Podcasts than the spotify app. The Spotify App has been getting worse for music as well, to the point where I am looking at other services.

Spotify is trying to be everything to everyone, and instead will end up being nothing to no one.

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Post by jgalt212 »

yellow_lead wrote: post #84
markus_zhang wrote: post #63

The ones with Carmack and an ex-pilot (regarding UFO) were interesting. Other than that I really didn't have any knowledge of. It's more of the people he interviewed then his channel.

It's even hard to listen to these. I have heard enough of Rogan's "Wow!" and "Really?" to last a lifetime.

yes, to some extent Rogan is a modern day Larry King. i.e. he's a very easy interview in that he allows his guests to say pretty much what they want without too much push back.
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