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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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It's not much different from the current fiat monetary regime. Those closest to the money spigot benefit the most... cryptocurrency opens it up to individuals rather than limiting it to governments.

I've always wondered why people say crypto isn't a "fiat currency." It only has value because some people say it does. And it doesn't have an Army, Navy, and Air Force to defend it, like the U.S. Dollar has.

Technically it's a fiat currency because people trust the code base and by extension they trust the development team.

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Looking at hyper loop his technical chops might not be what some people make them to be... So it might have been...

Have you actually read his paper? Not the bunch of nonsense later published by people like Hyperloop One and other basically scam companies? What is your bases for dismissing it? Is it videos by one youtuber (who gets reference literally by everybody on this topic)? And even if its not the best possible solution, he basically spent some amount of time on an idea did some validation on it with teams at Tesla and Space…

>What is your bases for dismissing it?

My base is Elon Musk.

Even Elon Musk himself doesn't believe in his own ideas. He constantly winds them down. Even his Vegas Loop is just Tesla's in tunnels. Yes it wasn't meant to be a Hyperloop but he didn't even get self driving working in a damn tunnel, all you need for this is line following and collision detection for cars and pedestrians. He told us he was going to build pods that can hold a dozen people, he didn't.

If he can't even do the Vegas Loop properly then how is he going to build something more complicated than that?

He said the Hyperloop will have air cushion suspension and then "downgrades" it to ... wheels? All he did is create a sales pitch. He's not going to build the hyperloop he promised, the same way he is not going to create the Vegas loop in the way he promised.

> Not the bunch of nonsense later published by people like Hyperloop One and other basically scam companies?

Well, that is sad because those companies were actually building Hyperloops. If they are scam companies, then the concept is essentially a scam and Elon Musk avoids being associated with the scam by never building one.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Cus he's not that bright. Isn't this the elephant in the room that no one wants to consider? Why do we have to start with the assumption that Musk is a genius, then work back from that? The dude thought covid would go away last May. He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable. He's thought that full self driving was 6 months away for literally 4 years now. And he didn't really…

He's single handedly accelerated the adoption of electric cars by 10 years while advancing literal rocket science to the point where launches will be done 10x cheaper. For those of us who measure by outcomes, he's a genius.

Single handedly? I'll say the same as when people described Steve as a genius, he is an accomplished marketing machine but genius is reserved for the like of Einstein and Feynman. Do you think SpaceX and Tesla were Musk's idea? Or were they the recommendation of the MBAs hired to research subsidized industries with significant barrier to entry? It is not that he isn't successful but he is no genius, he just has the money to overcome, what otherwise would be, impossible hurdles. I am glad he's beating bezos to the punch though, it takes a special kind of business to make Walmart look like the good guys. I think Tesla is a horrible car, exactly the wrong vehicle to address the climate crisis but it seems we are addicted to the car and consider public transit some kind of badge of shame. EVs, specifically autonomous EVs should be targeted at the last mile, IMHO. I'm not trying to be contrary, I dislike musk because I think he's dishonest and a narcissist.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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It’s almost like crypto has very little actual value outside of speculation...

There is yet a killer use case, but AI is coming so just hang on a hot minute. Well be above 100k in six months. Machine learning APIs and Lighting payments are a match made in heaven.

>There is yet a killer use case, but AI is coming so just hang on a hot minute.

Are you saying AGIs will earn a living by operating a cryptocurrency mine?

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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What is ridiculous exactly? That it's deflationary? Or the intuition that it should rise in the face of USD inflation (all else equal)?

That it should rise because of USD inflation.

Exactly, this misconception is being repeated everywhere. It often goes up with inflation, not because of it. An asset with shrinking circulating supply will go up in price. It's self reinforcing because hoarding reduces the circulating supply. This is deflation and it's self reinforcing nature is why it is considered bad in economics.

This happens completely independently of USD inflation. If USD inflation goes up then Bitcoin may go up by the same amount. However, inflation may affect hoarding instincts in either direction, which can wipe out the influence of inflation on the price of Bitcoin.

For example, people may liquidate Bitcoin to buy commodities that are going up in price. The gasoline pipeline incident causes a shortage of gasoline, people start hoarding gasoline because it goes up much faster than the CPI average but Bitcoin itself can only protect against the CPI because Bitcoin holders want to buy things other than gasoline. If you are a consumer that needs nothing except gasoline then you would believe your Bitcoin are worth "CPI Bitcoin price" * (1+gasoline inflation rate). E.g. 25% gasoline inflation means it is worth 25% more than market rate, because you need 25% extra just to stay where you are.

The obvious problem is that there are some goods that went down in price. Assuming 20% deflation, someone else is willing to accept 20% dollars less for his Bitcoin. The average of both is 5%, therefore the "CPI Bitcoin price" would go up 5%. However, since the gasoline guy wants the 25% gains, it makes more sense to liquidate Bitcoin and buy gasoline directly but the deflation guy remains, which paradoxically drags the price of Bitcoin below inflation because it no longer tracks CPI but rather the CPI without the things that went up.

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Tesla would have been dead if he had not brought the Fremont factory back online. I give him credit for this, as I think ignoring the “rules” was one of the smartest business moves ever made in 2020.

Would you think the same way if it was your life on the line? Not livelihood. Live. I think when evaluating situations compassion for people's lives is a more important matter than economical wellbeing. (Even if it's their wellbeing)

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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law. I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if someone is dumb or evil, you have to stop. It's impossible to figure out which (or what mix) it actually is.

Tesla would have been dead if he had not brought the Fremont factory back online. I give him credit for this, as I think ignoring the “rules” was one of the smartest business moves ever made in 2020.

I've got some bad news for you: Tesla died in 1943.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Death

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Would you think the same way if it was your life on the line? Not livelihood. Live. I think when evaluating situations compassion for people's lives is a more important matter than economical wellbeing. (Even if it's their wellbeing)

Most of his workers were in an age group at negligible risk from covid; they'd be more likely to die in a road accident driving home.

OR driving to the funerals of their parents, grandparents, friends, neighbors, and other loved ones and acquaintances who they infected with COVID-19.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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You are making a strong point for further lockdowns. Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown.

>Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown. What's the point of being alive if you can't live life? Fine if you choose that for yourself, but you're a monster if you'd dare to assume you have the right to confine everybody else to such a miserable existence. Marx has a great quote along those lines: "The human body is mortal by natur…

It's a good thing not everyone has such disregard and lack of empathy for their fellow humans. I'm guessing you're Libertarian, not Communist, right?

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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He is going to blame this on Aspergers. I think this behaviour should be illegal if it is not already.

What behavior in particular should be illegal?

Pump and dump.
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