LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by busymom0 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

tonyp2121 wrote: post #649

argvargc wrote: post #639

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You seem as intolerant as the people you deride for their intolerance.

I urge you to look at the paradox of tolerance. Tolerating intolerance breeds intolerance. If I am intolerant of intolerant people then that is good. Bigots do not deserve to be tolerated, do not deserve to have their opinion debated, do not deserve to be taken seriously and do deserve backlash for being a bigot.

Calling people bigots without firstly discussing the view point makes you bigoted as it makes it seem like everything is black and white without any greys. A lot of right leaning libertarians like Larry Elder for example believe that the federal government shouldn’t legalize gay marriage because the federal government should get out of societal issues all together- not just gay marriage, even straight marriage and other societal issues like abortion, what bulbs to use etc. Societal issues should be dealt at the local county/city/state level, not federal level as he founders intended it to be. This is also why right leaning libertarians oppose weed being illegal. Federal government should get out of that business all together. So when Larry says he’s against legalizing gay marriage, those who don’t understand nuance ignore the rest of his comment and call him a bigot.

I can quote several other examples and many anecdotal ones too but I think this example is good enough.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by NaturalPhallacy » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:50 PM UTC

vaylian wrote: post #311

mrtksn wrote: post #253

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It's fascinating to see how the sausage is made. It gives the most important datapoint before you can preach your higher ideals. It's different if you seen a war(even if it's a liveleak video), it keeps your feet on the ground when you have to decide to cast a pro/anti war vote or argue about it's merits. That's what worries me about our sterilised internet: Things happen, but we are not allowed to peak under the cov…

It's the same thing with climate change. A lot of people still don't understand how bad it actually is.

The think that really drove that home for me is remembering how after long trips you'd have bugs splattered all over your windshield and front end. People even used to sell deflectors.

That doesn't happen anymore cause we've killed off most of the bugs...

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by yesenadam » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

xtian wrote: post #514

yesenadam wrote: post #507

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> let’s not pretend our opinions have any significance in these matters. I disagree strongly with this. That's what the powerful want you to think and feel—that your opinion has no significance. Fortunately, it's not true.

Facing the reality I mentioned is the only opinion that matters. From there we can start to talk about building something new. Otherwise, have all the anti-war protests and activism in the last 20-30 years curtailed the US war machine one bit?

The things you have said make me feel engaging with you is a waste of time, as my opinions don't matter, and it's all futile and hopeless.

You talk of "we" and "us"—"facing the reality" you describe being "all we can do". Maybe just speak for yourself? I don't feel included in your "we", and don't want to be. It sounds like you have such definite opinions that talking with you won't help anything. ...Maybe that is the real unchangeable reality here, your certainty that you're right?

I think one has to have hope.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by burnished » Thu, May 06, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

throwaway8581 wrote: post #641

young_unixer wrote: post #635

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> these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia. So, the same thing mainstream society has been doing for the last 6 years, just for different races and groups? If they criticized things like Outreachy (which literally discriminates people based on race and gender [1]) with the same energy that they criticize t…

Those are alt-right facts is just a defense mechanism for people to avoid confronting the contradictions in their own belief system. None of this is driven by reason, at least not the logic of the truth of the matters allegedly being examined. It's all about the logic of identity and social status. It is high status to believe in magical equality. It is low status to acknowledge human biodiversity. The idea of settli…

Nah. There was quite recently a very interesting article about personality differences across sex on this very website. But being suuper interested in "human biodiversity" without going through the upfront pain of explaining to the reader that you aren't trying to rehash a lot of old racist garbage is, well, a huge red flag.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #389

causality0 wrote: post #69

I do hope you also understand our reasons I mean, I'd like to try, except he didn't actually give us any of those reasons. Rest in peace, LiveLeak. You were a beacon of reality that shone through the propaganda, the bullshit, and the sugar-coating. Your demise means that people who want to see something like a shooting that's been removed from mainstream platforms will be forced to visit darker corners of the interne…

> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. Does this mean that only the alt-right have access to uncensored information?

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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by concordDance » Thu, May 06, 2021, 11:18 PM UTC

burnished wrote: post #664

throwaway8581 wrote: post #641

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Those are alt-right facts is just a defense mechanism for people to avoid confronting the contradictions in their own belief system. None of this is driven by reason, at least not the logic of the truth of the matters allegedly being examined. It's all about the logic of identity and social status. It is high status to believe in magical equality. It is low status to acknowledge human biodiversity. The idea of settli…

Nah. There was quite recently a very interesting article about personality differences across sex on this very website. But being suuper interested in "human biodiversity" without going through the upfront pain of explaining to the reader that you aren't trying to rehash a lot of old racist garbage is, well, a huge red flag.

Also, there are actual HBD blogs and communities and they're frankly pretty uninterested in the african-american vs european-american thing and far more interested in the movements and traits of all sorts of obscure people groups I've never heard of. While also being interested in things your typical white supremicist wouldn't think about like differences between Scottish and South-Western English peoples.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by xtian » Thu, May 06, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

yesenadam wrote: post #663

xtian wrote: post #514

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Facing the reality I mentioned is the only opinion that matters. From there we can start to talk about building something new. Otherwise, have all the anti-war protests and activism in the last 20-30 years curtailed the US war machine one bit?

The things you have said make me feel engaging with you is a waste of time, as my opinions don't matter, and it's all futile and hopeless. You talk of "we" and "us"—"facing the reality" you describe being "all we can do". Maybe just speak for yourself? I don't feel included in your "we", and don't want to be. It sounds like you have such definite opinions that talking with you won't help anything. ...Maybe that is th…

I didn’t say it was all futile and hopeless. I have a lot of hope, but maybe in a different direction than you do. And my opinions on these issues have developed significantly even in the last year. I’m always open to new understanding.

But the US has been at war my entire adult life, and it has a very long history of brutality abroad. I’m pragmatic about what changing that will require.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by brailsafe » Fri, May 07, 2021, 12:09 AM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #486

brailsafe wrote: post #457

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I think alt-left people just bail on the whole scene, and what remains is Left cesspools; namely Twitter and Reddit.

That would imply that the world consists only of alt-left and and-right people. In reality the vast majority of people are pretty moderate, and there are far more than two political directions. Most dramas on Twitter or Reddit involve some one- or two-digit number of people that get enormous publicity.

I don't think my comment would imply what you describe. I think it would imply at least (but not exclusively) the existence of 4 diffuse groups (Left, alt-left/moderate/centre-leaning-left, alt-right, right), just that Twitter and Reddit are cesspools where the loudest of the Left yell at each other for no other reason than nobody else will listen, because they've all been forced off or quit of their own accord.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by RGamma » Fri, May 07, 2021, 12:18 AM UTC

brickabrack wrote: post #652

The internet is dying a slow death. Instead of being an open exchange of ideas and content, it's become just another vehicle for corporations to make a buck off of everyone. It's now locked down, dumbed down and buttoned down and is controlled and surveilled to make sure no one steps out of line or has their feelings hurt. It treats everyone like fools and children who can't handle reality, a new idea or an opposing…

With so many (mainstream) eyes on the public web these days this was bound to happen.

The wild west of the (pre) 200x's may be coming to an end but stuff will prevail in darknet and private archives or outside western jurisdictions, and continue to spread from there. (It's easy to forget the non-English internet exists too!)

Alternatively we might end up with a more or less mild variant of a "web in chains" (analogous to https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201014-totalitarian-wor...), that's characterized by a highly siloed and prefiltered/fabricated flow of information.

Powerful (gov + big tech) forces push this way for some time now; OTOH I believe the internet remains a difficult beast to tame as long as control doesn't reach China levels.

Also, archive shit, because the internet does forget.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by scoopertrooper » Fri, May 07, 2021, 12:38 AM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #627

scoopertrooper wrote: post #487

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It's not quite a pickup truck. It's more an elongated car with the rear passenger area traded for a tray to carry things around in. Though having said that, the terms are often confused.

Like an El Camino but more Aussie?

Yup, exactly.