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LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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If you want minimal bloatware with Android, why not get a Pixel? I've the Pixel 3a for 2 years now. It's the longest-lasting smart phone I've ever had, and there are no indications that it is falling over. The 4a is 6" and has a headphone jack.

Because Pixel is not available in most countries, including more than half of Europe. I had the Nexus 5x, I wanted a Pixel and the only option was the gray market at double the price.

Ah. I learn something new today

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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All passively cooled thin highend phones can't run highly loaded games longer, due to GPU makes massive heat, so actually fan is practical for such use case.

Wouldn't a water cooled phone be much more awesome?

"Water cooling" is just a heat transfer method, so you need water, pump and external fan or large heat sink. I believe just a fan without water is enough unless you're LTT.

Possibly you mention about some manufacturer that advertises vapor chamber as "water cooling". I don't like their advertisement because it's just a improved heat pipe.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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> And, yes, that 3.5 mm jack is important I thought the USB-C -> 3.5mm adaptors are just mechanical, or have no delay?

If they are mechanical, they are probably some special sauce not quite USB-C ports. USB is digital, TRS is analog. (Yes that means standardized adapters have to include a DAC). The delay should be minimal, though.

There is a mode that's called "Audio Adapter Accessory Mode" that makes use of the USB 2.0 data lines and a few others as analog audio lines for the headphones.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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If they are mechanical, they are probably some special sauce not quite USB-C ports. USB is digital, TRS is analog. (Yes that means standardized adapters have to include a DAC). The delay should be minimal, though.

There is a mode that's called "Audio Adapter Accessory Mode" that makes use of the USB 2.0 data lines and a few others as analog audio lines for the headphones.

That is good to hear! Hopefully smart phones are supporting that standard, because it does appear to be an extension of USB.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I wish I could be more sad about this. LG lost a lot of trust during their bootloop era, around the time of the G4. They had some interesting ideas with their V series, but I just couldn't bring myself to trust them after my G4 died in less than 18 months.

I don't know what model of phone it was, but I had an LG phone lockup after a system update. I called support and they said it was out of warranty and I could send it in for repair at my cost. I never bought an LG phone after that.

It's just not possible for a company to push out a software update that bricks your phone and refuse to fix it in a competitive market.

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Is AAudio really low latency, or "low latency" in the same sense as low latency modes in Android Audio and OpenSL ES? It's surprisingly difficult to find actual numbers that would compare between these three.

In the sense that OpenSL is out of the game, and AAudio is good enough for Samsung to drop their Audio SDK. Now if you compare it with iOS, it still isn't going to win the race, neither in ms nor in tooling. https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/03/high-perfo...

"Good enough for Samsung" is very, very low bar.

It could have been removed too because app developers didn't use it, because they couldn't make it stable or because they couldn't make it work together with mic permissions.

Anyway, I'm interested in numbers, and specifically whether switching from Android Audio or OpenSL to AAudio brings any significant improvement.

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Wouldn't a water cooled phone be much more awesome?

"Water cooling" is just a heat transfer method, so you need water, pump and external fan or large heat sink. I believe just a fan without water is enough unless you're LTT. Possibly you mention about some manufacturer that advertises vapor chamber as "water cooling". I don't like their advertisement because it's just a improved heat pipe.

Wow, you know what water cooling is. The next step is that you need to read up on building gaming rigs and understanding that setting up water cooling for cell phone is just the right level of absurdity.

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> Even without root, Tasker can automate every single aspect of the OS - Want to send and receive WhatsApp messages over email?[1], Want better accessibility e.g. Voice summary of news?[2], Want a butt triggered pomodoro timer?[3]. Termux runs a Linux container and it can run complete Linux distribution inside it with PRoot[4]. Best of all, Tasker & Termux can communicate with each other for endless possibilities. Do…

> Does anyone actually care about any of these things? On HN, sure. The other 3.6 billion smartphone users out there? No. The top voted opinions on HN are niche and don't represent the general population in any way. You can see this effect on other threads. Here are a few classic examples. - Everyone on HN hates Facebook, and yet 2 billion+ people use it every day. - Privacy is a paramount concern on HN, more importa…

I agree, but I think this case is even more extreme.

I'd be surprised if there are more than ~10 people (even on HN) who use the ability of Tasker and Termux to communicate with each other - and I bet those 10 people would be equally happy using some other solution they hacked together.

I think it's the act of hacking a solution together that they like, rather than it being a truly useful thing that can't be accomplished equally well in other ways.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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> Does anyone actually care about any of these things? On HN, sure. The other 3.6 billion smartphone users out there? No. The top voted opinions on HN are niche and don't represent the general population in any way. You can see this effect on other threads. Here are a few classic examples. - Everyone on HN hates Facebook, and yet 2 billion+ people use it every day. - Privacy is a paramount concern on HN, more importa…

I agree about the HN bubble, but not every comment has to reflect the larger market; The comment is about the power users and it reflects the significant portion of HN. Just like content on Computer Science is preferred on HN, it doesn't mean just because not everyone is a CSE/Computer Scientist in the real world, CS content is not valuable.

My argument is more subtle than that.

I'm arguing that Tasker/Termux users aren't really your normal power users at all. Instead they are hackers, and would be satisfied by any form of stitching bits together to accomplish some task.

If Tasker/Termus didn't exist they'd be equally happy accomplishing the same things with custom hardware sensors or carrying a RPi around or whatever. They aren't actually doing anything useful with the software that couldn't be accomplished slightly less conveniently in other ways - the joy of the hack is the accomplishment.

When you view it like this, the market satisfaction argument looks different.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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>In the mobile space the underdog is Google Doesn't Android have 70% market share? I don't follow how they're the underdog, surely they're more like Microsoft in this comparison.

Depends on how you slice the market. Android powers 70% of the phones on the market, but iOS makes 50%+ of the profit.

It is hard to make 50%+ profit from zero customers, as there are plenty of countries where it has hardly any presence.
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