How does liability work in a situation like this? Can other shipping companies sue the at fault company for damages?
Is that ship still stuck?
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>Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. You're basically asking to build a port in the middle of the egyptian desert. That isn't going to happen. I say build a trebuchet on deck and start launching containers into the desert.
There are 20 thousand containers on that ship. No, that's not a mistake. It says it can carry 20 thousand and I assume it travels at capacity. Even if you could somehow launch one every minute that would still take 2 weeks of non-stop bombardment. Fascinating how much stuff you can put on a ship and the scale of loading/unloading operation.
How do they load and unload these things in a port in only a couple of days?! Do the cranes take off several containers at a time? It's hard for me to imagine they can move a container off the ship and get back to another container in less than a minute.
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Would it not be easier to use Chinooks to remove cargo ?
Empty weight of a 40ft ISO is around 3,700kg Max weight of a container loaded is around 30,000kg Max payload of a Chinook around 11,000 kg near sea level at not high temp. (correct my number here from the wrong version of the Chinook...older versions were 4,500kg) So, if your container is a a quarter full, sure
Okay, bring Mi-26 then.
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I've had the exact same idea but the canal bank is very shallow.. so you would have to build around the whole ship (as you said). This also seems like a major undertaking. I am excited to see how they will solve the problem though!
If the bank is very shallow and mostly sand, maybe instead of building a damn all around the ship it would be easier to just dredge a new passage that goes around the stuck ship. After all the real problem isn't that the ship is run aground, it's that the canal is blocked for everyone else.
I'd think that rather than dredge enough sand/dirt to create a completely new channel, it'd be easier to dredge out enough next to the ship to free it. They should only need to dredge out the bow and stern, the middle of the ship is already in deeper water.
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#666I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…
Why not just CUT IT APART and clean up the mess after?
Like this: https://jalopnik.com/a-chain-just-cut-through-a-capsized-car...
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> Might need a small nuclear power plant or two to make it feasible. Amazingly, that's a severe underestimation. The force on a wire carrying current in a magnetic field is given by F = B*I*l, and to move it upwards that force needs to be at least equal to gravity, so equate to F = m*g. - Let's be generous and assume B = 100 uT = 100 * 10^-6 T. - Likewise, assume the ship is a rectangular box with sides of 400 m x 10…
Well, on the bright side once we free it with this incredible contraption then we've also solved all of humanity's power needs for a few more centuries. :)
Upvoting you just due to username
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#668I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…
Only about the center third of the channel is actually deep enough for this massive ship. Both ends of the ship is stuck in several meters of sand. So far they've only managed get two bulldozers on to try and dig it out but progress is slow.
It's possible the excavation is exploratory in nature. It might be hard to know how stuck the bow is without digging a little.
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I know that is a joke but if you wanted to generate enough force to push the ship off the bank, a rocket is one of the few technologies that would do the trick. I wouldn't want to stand downwind, though.
you are thinking 1.0 scale. you need to start thinking starlink scale enterprising. quantity not quality. one rocket would rip the ship into pieces. what's actually needed is a long 2d matrix of rockets, distributed broadly the across EVER GIVEN, pushing the bow in, the stern out & back. out like she came.
This is starting to really resemble how people build ships in Space Engineers. :)
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I read that there aren't any tall enough cranes in that area to do it, so they're considering unloading some containers by helicopter.
Even if you could unload a container per minute you could only unload less than 1000 containers per day (assuming it's too dangerous to work at night) so at least 3 weeks of continuous helicopter operations.
3 weeks of continuous helicopter operations for what? Ship doesn't need to be empty.