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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by ainar-g »

wott wrote: post #390
mdoms wrote: post #197

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I just visited flutterfolio.com. The very first thing I tried to do is enter a username and Tab to the password field. But Tab just catapulted my input focus to the browser address bar. I mean, come on.

> flutterfolio.com I can't experience this problem, for my browser only displays for this site a beautiful, immaculate, plain white page :)

If your situation is like mine, you have to wait for some fifteen seconds or so. And then greeted with a login input. Also, my CPUs were at around 50 % the whole time.

I'm sorry, but if that's the “future of web UIs”, I'd rather stay with the “troglodytes”, who write simple HTML forms with a bit of vanilla scripting here and there.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by brobdingnagians »

masterofmisc wrote: post #31
brobdingnagians wrote: post #8

I recently discovered Flutter and I love it for making mobile apps. The multiplatform by default with good API and stability is a winning combination. Lots of modern language features from Dart and built in support for two way binding makes GUI programming much easier. I much prefer it to React Native.

What is the API story like now? When I first looked before version 1 was stamped you had to search for 3rd party plugins for features like accessing the camera and such.

I think it is a supported plugin now[1], but geolocation is still a third party plugin, though there is one that is decetly standard to use

[1] https://flutter.dev/docs/cookbook/plugins/picture-using-came... [2] https://pub.dev/packages/geolocator

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by ygra »

danudey wrote: post #305
murermader wrote: post #116

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I just tried it on an iPad Pro with Safari. Clicking the tiles does not work, scrolling does not work with the touchpad, and overall it feels very janky. They probably didn‘t care to optimize / make it usable with Safari.

Trying it on Windows 10 with Firefox. Scrolling is incredibly slow, in every possible way. The scroll wheel barely moves the content, so I have to spin the wheel ten or more times to get any reasonable distance down the page, and the animation is janky and stuttery. Works great in Chrome though, what a surprise!

I remember getting accurate values from the scroll wheel being the worst in Firefox and basically impossible. You could only get the scroll direction, but not the correct extent (bascially everything just looked like one detent). So you either get incredibly fast scrolling, or incrediby slow scrolling, depending on how you work with the value and whether you still do the oft-needed division by 120. This can also make some touch pads that generate mouse wheel events very unusable for zooming or scrolling.

You can see the difference in the example on MDN as well: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element/whe...

The scaling there works with very different speeds in Firefox and Chrome because both disagree on what value the delta should have. Scrolling up once yields -100 in Edgeium for me and -3 in Firefox.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by EvilEy3 »

eseidelGoogle wrote: post #98
sydd wrote: post #87

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I've tested on my phone (1yr old pretty good Android one) and the whole thing is very laggy runs with like 10fps. What about a11y? The whole thing feels like Adobe Flex in 2010. It solves a great deal of problems that the web had but introduced a plethora of others.

[Flutter Eng. Dir. here] Still relatively early days for Flutter Web, so I would not be shocked if it's not buttery everywhere. However, we would certainly love to learn more. fluter.dev/support has links as to how to file an issue if you're interested. https://flutterplasma.dev/ is one demo to try. We expect to be updating flutter.dev/web and flutter.dev/showcase to update more over time.

> early days

> production ready

Pick one.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by EvilEy3 »

tcit wrote: post #383
SanderNL wrote: post #327

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Why are you guys here on HN still using Chrome? There is literally not a single reason I can think of to be supporting this behemoth that is killing the open web. Firefox is excellent actually and Firebug IMO is far superior to Chrome's offering. I understand non-techies using it like they used Explorer, but come on guys.

> Firebug Which year is this ?

The year when Chrome actually threatens open web.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by EvilEy3 »

dmitriid wrote: post #479
eseidelGoogle wrote: post #98

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[Flutter Eng. Dir. here] Still relatively early days for Flutter Web, so I would not be shocked if it's not buttery everywhere. However, we would certainly love to learn more. fluter.dev/support has links as to how to file an issue if you're interested. https://flutterplasma.dev/ is one demo to try. We expect to be updating flutter.dev/web and flutter.dev/showcase to update more over time.

> However, we would certainly love to learn more. It's... It's very easy to learn more for yourself. - Ask your company to provide you with a MacBook Air (not the M1, a regular one) or a mid-tier PC - Use any browser other than Chrome (and other thank Blink-based browsers) - Go and use the very same demos you so proudly present Boom. Learning.

Why is this downvoted?

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by jamil7 »

EvilEy3 wrote: post #659
MongooseMan wrote: post #437

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Kotlin doesn't just run on the JVM - it can compile to native binaries with Kotlin Native. It compiles to WASM and JS too.

At the time of Flutter development it couldn't do any of those things.

Thats a good point, I tend to forget how long Flutter has been around.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by prathiks »

hamandcheese wrote: post #458
ryandrake wrote: post #436

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I don't even fully understand why "cross-platform UI development" is such a holy grail. Is it that expensive to separate your business logic from UI and write the small UI layer in whatever the platform's "best practice" native language is? Is it that hard to find developers who know more than one programming language? With a lot of these frameworks and higher level abstractions, if you go off the toy-app happy path,…

> Is it that expensive to separate your business logic from UI and write the small UI layer in whatever the platform's "best practice" native language is? I mean... yes? There is a ton of incidental complexity (i.e. unrelated to the business domain) involved in creating nice user experiences. If dev salaries weren’t so high then sure, more companies would probably spend the money to repeat the same work across severa…

It also takes time to ensure the feature is developed for all platforms. Due to low usage you may not bother developing for that platform. Thus feature in one platform lag other.

I worked for a company where we did iOS release after very 3 android release coz android was 80% users and iOS 20%. Mind you this was a cross platform Iconic/Cordova app. Now think if we did native. iOS users would have to wait even longer

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by gurkendoktor »

mwcampbell wrote: post #563
gurkendoktor wrote: post #487

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I am a native app developer. I have only built one small app with Flutter. Here's where I disagree: - I've used Xcode since version 2 and like it, but in my opinion it's a worse developer experience than Flutter. Refactoring and code navigation were much better in both Android Studio and VS Code. - Flutter's hot reloading is fantastic. Meanwhile, SwiftUI previews seem to be built on the same technology as IBDesignabl…

> but UIKit doesn't even have a standard button class Doesn't anyone else use UIButton? Granted, the native iOS app I developed was intended primarily for blind people, so I didn't really make it visually polished.

Yes, the visual polish is what I mean. It's not rocket science to style UIButton, but the lack of a good default style means that mediocre native apps often have weird/inconsistent highlighted button states, and so on.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by gurkendoktor »

EvilEy3 wrote: post #643
gurkendoktor wrote: post #487

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I am a native app developer. I have only built one small app with Flutter. Here's where I disagree: - I've used Xcode since version 2 and like it, but in my opinion it's a worse developer experience than Flutter. Refactoring and code navigation were much better in both Android Studio and VS Code. - Flutter's hot reloading is fantastic. Meanwhile, SwiftUI previews seem to be built on the same technology as IBDesignabl…

> Dart is a dumb language like Go Dart literally has reactivity build in, like RxJava or RxSwift. You have no idea what you're talking about.

And because it's built in, unlike the bolted-on Rx framework family, it doesn't bother me much. I found the language to be much more focused and pragmatic than Swift, but as I said that was just my experience after a single project.
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