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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by mancerayder »

tasubotadas wrote: post #442
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #49

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This isn't the first time I've seen NYT cancellation process in my social feeds. It has to be a negative feedback loop cycle. People that read HN are absolutely the type that would consider paying for NYT (or at least the two cohorts have great overlap). This cancellation process never considered the impact of internet cancel culture and rage reactions. It's far easier to damage a brand than it is to build it up.

> People that read HN are absolutely the type that would consider paying for NYT (or at least the two cohorts have great overlap). ?? I automatically assume that articles that are written by NYT, NewYorker, and The Guardian are complete BS and should be ignored. 0 journalism found there. Wanna spend money somewhere? Spend it on The Atlantic or Bloomberg.

It didn't used to be this bad. The NYT revamped its editorial staff and got some controversial identity politics types (Google "sarah jeong tweets" and be your own judge), and also discovered that much like Fox News, running aggressive and inflammatory headlines and opinion pieces gets clicks.

It's depressing because the NYT was more of a mainstream liberal newspaper whose main crimes were a lack of critical attitude towards foreign policy (such as the weapons of mass destruction fiasco). Its domestic reporting was decent. Now the domestic reporting is pitting Americans against one another.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by wycy »

yostrovs wrote: post #643
wycy wrote: post #637

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The Snopes article was published 2 weeks before the impacts of coronavirus even started to be felt in this country, back when he was privately telling the truth about it to Woodward. Trump's base overwhelmingly believes it's a hoax. So is "left" wing media lying to me that he says it's a hoax, or is right wing media lying to all his supporters that it's a hoax?

He seemed to have believed it wasn't a hoax when closing the border with China. He was being impeached at the time. He was criticized for being too drastic in this decision, even xenophobic. I'd like to know when he actually called the virus a hoax.

Your argument essentially boils down to "he only called it a hoax once--and c'mon doesn't he really deserve a huge benefit of the doubt as to which part he was calling a hoax?--and all the other times he downplayed it or called it no big deal he avoided using the word 'hoax'". If, as you contend, he hasn't been pushing that idea all along--in one set of words or another--why does his base believe it's a hoax?

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by MrMember »

samcheng wrote: post #99
tech-historian wrote: post #76

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Back in 2006 an AOL subscriber recorded their conversation with an AOL customer service agent while trying to cancel the service. It was really bad, way worse than this NYTimes process. The NYT wrote an article about the debacle [1] and had this to say about Netflix's great customer service and ease of cancellation, compared to AOL's awful service: "Seeing how Netflix would be so protective of my time were I to leave…

Netflix is notoriously generous here. They allegedly auto-cancel accounts that don't use the service for too long! https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/net...

I was kind of surprised at how simple it was to cancel my Netflix account. I was even going to fill out the standard "why are you leaving?" box because I had some strong opinions on changes they had made but they didn't even have one.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by [deleted] »

subpixel wrote: post #599
chmod600 wrote: post #278

I just cancelled and it was relatively painless, to their credit. When they asked the reason, I said that political coverage was unfair. Left is OK, unfair is not. I don't consider myself "on the left" but I really don't mind a publication being left of center or right of center. If it's good, I will pay for it (I subscribed tp The Atlantic at least twice, and the New Yorker once, and probably others in a mix of prin…

I’m not rage-quitting yet but the decision to capitalize the word used to describe the skin color of one group of people, but not the words used to describe the skin colors of other people, is just so completely asinine and panderous that I have considered doing so.

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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by beowulfey »

chmod600 wrote: post #278

I just cancelled and it was relatively painless, to their credit. When they asked the reason, I said that political coverage was unfair. Left is OK, unfair is not. I don't consider myself "on the left" but I really don't mind a publication being left of center or right of center. If it's good, I will pay for it (I subscribed tp The Atlantic at least twice, and the New Yorker once, and probably others in a mix of prin…

Highly recommend getting news through either AP news or Reuters. Both are non-profit journalism groups and I find that the headlines that pop up from those apps are straight up boring (and I mean this in the absolute best way possible).

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by CharlesW »

It's interesting to see all the recent HN complaints about Apple's app store in light of this, since this is exactly the kind of abuse that Apple's consumer-biased policies address.

Specifically, if you subscribe to the NYT via the app store, unsubscribing is a quick, no-bullshit process. You can even do it from your Apple Watch.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by ahoy »

HenryBemis wrote: post #360
astura wrote: post #325

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If that invalid "debt" was still on your credit report you'd just file a dispute to have it removed.

When you remove an invalid debt, make sure that the bank doesn't sneak it back in. The banks "push" to the credit scoring companies on regular intervals, so although the credit scoring company-ies may remove it, unless the bank/source removes it from THEIR systems, it will be re-pushed 1-3-6 months later. (source: Dave Ramsey's mentioned that in many of his radio shows/podcast episodes)

I don't see how the distinction matters to the individual consumer. It's interesting as an insight into how the credit scoring system is organized i guess

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by machello13 »

fantyoon wrote: post #612
machello13 wrote: post #594

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Many people would consider the "leftist version of identity politics" to be an oxymoron.

Would you say that only the right is engaging in "identity politcs"?

As others have mentioned in this thread, "right" and "left" are all relative. From my point of view, a neoliberal like Biden is right-of-center by any reasonable definition of "right" and "left", but obviously that varies person-to-person. My point is that most of the people on the far left tend to dislike identity politics since it's such an effective distraction from real economic issues.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by 542354234235 »

HenryBemis wrote: post #402
8note wrote: post #294

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When I cancelled audible, it wouldnt even let me use the app, let alone use credits I had

Stating the obvious here: it is a Service. When you stop the provision of a cellular service, you immediately lose access to the the service. If you have not consumed the remaining of your points/credit/etc. I find it hard that the service provider would be nice enough to let you consume them points/credit/etc. Exceptions will exist, but the general rule is such.

> it is a Service.

No, it is subscription. Much like a magazine subscription, where you are purchasing the magazine each month, you are purchasing credits each month that you can use to buy audiobooks that you then own (yes yes, do you really “””own”””” things in the digital world of licenses, blah blah). So losing access to the app, and therefore the audiobooks you purchased, is not how it is supposed to work.

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