> The tipping point has already been passed in Norway, where tax breaks mean electric cars are cheaper. It's like Norway is actively trying to devalue its copious natural resources.
Less domestic consumption means more available to export.
Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption
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They're doing that in Oslo now, many street parking slots are getting 22 kW poles next to them. It's just a matter of political will.
Those exist in the Netherlands too, but the problem is that those spots are now _exclusive_ to EVs. An ICE car is not allowed to park there. I live in an area where >95% of parking spots are occupied on a given night. The current approach is, at least for the time being, only making it worse.
So if you have an EV you are pretty much guarenteed a parking space?
How is that making it worse?
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I had to pay a large (too large) an amount to purchase an extra parking space when I bought my condo. I personally didn't need the space all the time, but guests to the condo didn't have to hunt for parking on the street in an area with busy nightlife. I figured that when I sold the condo the parking space would raise the value of the condo, maybe not enough to make up for the cost but enough to be worth having the p…
I've random workers from a restaurant nearby parking in my unused space (in a private enclosing) all the time. And my parking space even require a special card to use. It would be nice if they offered to pay. I reported them to the police, but I haven't heard about them fining them and they don't stop using it. A neighbour used the parking space once and my landlord that was passing by reported her and she got a fine…
I assume you never accidently left nails or broken glass in your parking space?
Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption
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To put it another way: The average person can charge their EV for the same amount of power a top-tier gaming PC draws when playing a game =)
Sure.. but for 980Watts you're talking a system with multiple RTX3090 GPUs and a threadripper CPU - and even with that it wouldn't be a 980Watt constant draw, it would spike based on the game and what was happening in the game. I would be surprised if even half a percent of Americans have that kind of setup. If even 50% of Americans suddenly had that setup and all gamed every night for 10 hours a night, I would expec…
There are two aspects to it: generation and transmission.
The peak power draw will lie somewhere between your estimate (11.5kW/vehicle) and the typical estimate (920W), which would assume everyone charging at home. Clearly not everyone would charge at home (or with a 1kW charger), so the number is in between.
Both transmission and generation tend to cost mostly their peak usage. Generation is likely easier to upgrade, given a few years. I would imagine transmission is significantly more costly and complex, since the last mile network is enormous, but transmission likely has much more overhead (it has a soft instead of hard maximum as well due to simply increasing losses and increased thermal stress). I would say we probably are nearly prepared (with significant generation investments) if everyone charges at home at low power -- a 1-2 decade transition would go smoothly (my guess/estimate is 65% more average usage by that date). If most people opt for fast charging, the system will need significant overhaul (with widespread use of buffer batteries helping). It seems very wise for State incentives to increase capacity as soon as possible, to anticipate market demand -- the energy sector is likely slower than the automotive industry.
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> they are not counting the drive time to the actual gas station More often than not, this is on the way home / on the way to work, no? I don't just start the car and drive it down to a station to get gas and then come home (barring strange circumstances).
That totals to how many minutes at a gas station a month? Charging at home is zero.
For me? Like, ten, fifteen minutes? Not exactly a big deal
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"But even here in UK it's a mess." I cannot parse that.
Sorry, not a native English speaker, but let me know what I can do to help.
He he.
You missed the joke, expected.
"Even" in the UK? The UK is a basket case right now. HAs been since the GFC, and was shaky from about 1947.
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That totals to how many minutes at a gas station a month? Charging at home is zero.
For me? Like, ten, fifteen minutes? Not exactly a big deal
So if we are looking at this objectively. Zero minutes is far better than 10-15 minutes.
I've been an EV owner since 2016. I am yet to experience "waiting to charge" while commuting 20 miles to work and running errands. I park in our garage, plug in, and wake up to a full charge.
That's with being a 2 EV household with only one Tesla wall connector that is set to 30A (can support up to 100A).