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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by judge2020 »

nullc wrote: post #485
judge2020 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it's WARC and is going to end up on archive.org (archive.org is going to host it, but a different org 'archive team' are the ones who downloaded it), twitter isn't going to stop it from being posted since it's just going to show up as a link to web.archive.org. Arguably this isn't 'hacked data' since it's stuff that was wget'd and no security measure circumvention took place.

> no security measure circumvention took place You don't consider exploiting 2fa fail-open being triggered by deplatforming by their 2fa provider being used to mass password reset accounts and vacuum up their private messages not a security circumvention? What about using a arbitrary content type upload on their video subdomain to implement an XSS attack to allow them to download all videos, including ones sent priva…

https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/parler-grab/blob/master/parle...

There might have been other attacks in the way you describe, but it doesn't seem to be used by the team behind archiving the content.

https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_neparlepas

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sillycon-valley »

nicwolff wrote: post #626
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

A propaganda weapon whose founder was just back from a trip to Russia with his Russian wife and whose parent company was incorporated by Giuliani's firm while he was traveling in Russia... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327253991936454663.html

How dare he have a Russian wife or travel.

This is a perfect example of the conspiracies of the left.

edit: downvote/flag all you want, the article he linked to is terribly written and makes giant leaps in logic.

edit: dang shadowbanned me and not the conspiracy post above me. dang you are a 50cent super solider aren't you.

how are we supposed to not talk about politics in a political post?

half of the frontpage are political articles. 99% of the comments are political, what's wrong with mine?

DONT ALLOW POLITICAL ARTICLES IF YOU DON'T WANT POLITICAL DISCUSSION

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cbozeman »

joshuamorton wrote: post #647
cbozeman wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so the non-asshole thing to do is to just use their preferred pronoun. I agree. I completely agree. I myself call the transgender people in my life by their preferred pronoun. I also find compelling someone's speech by threat of banning them to be disgusting. Especially when there's a block button available. If you don't like what someone's saying, you can literally ignore everything they say. Herein lies the conun…

Her speech was not compelled. She was removed from twitter. She wasn't unpersoned. She isn't in a gulag. Stop hyperbolizing and your concerns get a lot less concerning.

> Her speech was not compelled.

"Don't say this thing, or we'll ban you forever from the platform."

If I walk up to you and say, "Don't say this thing, or me and my 9 associates here will punch you in the face," that's compulsion. Period.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by liminal »

liminal wrote: post #642
sdenton4 wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

FWIW I've found that true on the left as well

Can't reply to Kaze404's reply to this, but just wanted to say that I didn't intend to compare Parler to any left-wing social network or group I'm aware of. Just saying that from my experience with the left, there are condoned views and straying outside the lines isn't healthy for group inclusion. I'm also explicitly not equivocating the validity of the views themselves.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by joshuamorton »

brigandish wrote: post #497
mrzimmerman wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're purposefully being reductionist about this. People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that. They human brain adapts to it's environment, expecting certain inputs and if it's receiving /pol light on Twitter then it starts to expect it. On top of that, it's only a matter of time before they're linked to one of the many .win site that sprang up af…

> You're purposefully being reductionist about this. I'm really not, and I'd prefer if you started off responding to me by not (mis)characterising my intentions. I'm 100% sincere in my support of free speech and stand 100% behind my comment. > People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that Yes, they will, which is why it's good to allow every voice an…

Parler was an echo chamber.

> which was unchallengable due to blasphemy laws

There's basically no support for this claim in any literature I can find. Care to cite a historian?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by freeone3000 »

herdcall wrote: post #575
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

I doubt this. I'm on Parler and frequently see posts (I presume from left leaning folks) trashing the right side (e.g., Trump). Those posts are allowed with no issues. It is true that most opinions are right leaning (some viciously so), but that IMO reflects more on the members than on the moderation policy. Discussions on Twitter have a similar mix (left leaning to rabid Trump bashing), and I honestly don't find any…

Actions speak for themselves. The right isn't a unified block.

There are traditonal conservatives: god, guns, limited government. Mitch McConnell, David French, Mitt Romney, Charlotte Lawson. I fundamentally have different values from these people, but their perspectives are useful, enlightening, and reading their viewpoints causes me to better defend my own, or even occasionally change. They are staunch defenders of individual rights and traditional liberty.

There are libertarians on the right. Rand Paul, Spike Cohen, Justin Amash. These people I share a surprising number of values with, but fundamentally disagree with on the conclusion. Due to an inherent argumentativeness, it's hard to get a good faith debate, but I acknowledge their opinions that the government uses its power poorly, that both political parties are primarily concerned with remaining in power, and so on.

And then there's the group who wear t-shirts with "Camp Auschwitz 2021", "6 million wasn't enough". Signs that say "Q Sent Me". Hats with "Make America Great Again". These people are absolutely racist neo-nazis. These people are pretending to believe that Italians stole the election. There's no true belief here, no fundamentally held tenant other than "my side is better". This is not a small group - a YouGov poll puts it at 18% of Republicans. And this is Parler's user base, self-selected. The reasonable ones are still on Twitter.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mplewis »

pelasaco wrote: post #599

interesting opinion from Glenn Greenwald: "Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start." https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

Good ol' Glenn Greenwald, always stepping up to defend fascists

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by wnevets »

boringg wrote: post #584
jeromegv wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEO mentioned on Kara Swisher podcast that he felt he had zero responsibility for the content on this platform. So this moderation is mostly a PR point.

I wonder how he would feel about Sect 230 getting rolled back. Parler would be down and out (that said it's down and out right now). For clarity I don't support changing 230.

Probably the same support had he for allowing companies to discriminate against gay couples. Its great until its used against him.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by quotemstr »

tekstar wrote: post #625
quotemstr wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Refusal to impose extralegal speech restrictions is treason? No, it doesn't work like that. See the Brandenburg case. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Illegal. Some of the content on Parler was illegal. Not extralegal. Illegal. And they refused to moderate it when asked. Some if it has the risk of ending up judged treasonous as well, and that's all that matters to a risk averse company.

The claim I see over and over is that broad swaths of speech on Parler were illegal. It's not true. Repeating it doesn't make it so. "Insurrection" --- a call to overthrow the government --- is 100% legal speech in the US under the Brandenburg precedent. You don't get to call a company's refusal to go beyond the law in enforcing speech a form of treason.
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