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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by longtimegoogler »

adventured wrote: post #549
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian opposition is tamest of the tame, yet, it is routinely deplatformed and prosecuted, guess for what, calls for extremism and violence! And a large portion of population believes that to be true, because government controls most sources of information. I think US might look exactly same in a few years. The mighty benevolent Party will care for thankful citizens, with the exception of a few outcasts who can't ev…

And it's no coincidence that Russian dissident Alexei Navalny spoke out against big tech conspiring together to censor Trump. He sees exactly what they're doing and knows where it leads. All big tech has to do now is tighten the screws further, and they can use their new standard to wipe out any challenger from the right half of the political spectrum before they ever gain traction (whether in media, with payment pro…

Your narrative is so false, it isn't even funny.

The most liked and tweeted content on Twitter and Facebook skews heavily towards the right.

Fox news is the most watched news show in this country.

Your spin on the whole situation is a gross distortion of what is happening.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by cmurf »

lliamander wrote: post #653
cmurf wrote: post #645

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In 1861 the Senate expelled 10 senators for being involved in a conspiracy against the United States. And 7 years later, the 14th amendment was passed. The lies for profit charlatans basically get away with it. But I do not think members of Congress should. Every single one of those who voted on false pretenses to overturn an election last week, should be expelled. That is the fraud that has happened in this election…

Democrats have challenged electors for dumb reasons before. It's their right. Get a grip.

Those challenges weren't based on lies and charlatanry. Voter suppression is real and significant.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by augustt »

Thorentis wrote: post #638

Looking at history, censorship has a far worse track record in terms of destroying democracy, than public assembly (even inside civic buildings) does. What makes people think that this time will be different?

"... the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by dboreham »

lliamander wrote: post #653
cmurf wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1861 the Senate expelled 10 senators for being involved in a conspiracy against the United States. And 7 years later, the 14th amendment was passed. The lies for profit charlatans basically get away with it. But I do not think members of Congress should. Every single one of those who voted on false pretenses to overturn an election last week, should be expelled. That is the fraud that has happened in this election…

Democrats have challenged electors for dumb reasons before. It's their right. Get a grip.

They didn't tell millions of people that the election had been outright stolen. Not even in 2016 when it pretty much was.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by imperio59 »

ineedasername wrote: post #503
imperio59 wrote: post #307

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I buy this argument as the law currently stands, but this is also such a moral double standard (Colorado bakery for instance). Also, how far do we go with this reasoning? Stripe and PayPal refuse service so they're supposed to "Go build their own" (it costs billions to create a new service like stripe or PayPal that can compare). AWS shut you down? Build your own data center... (Again, costs millions or billions). Wh…

I don't see how it's anti competetive. The free market advocates on HN would say that other people will create other companies and gain the market share current companies have turned down. Or that existing niche companies will find an expanded market serving them. It's also important to note that companies aren't cutting ties with Trump because of his political ideology, they're cutting ties with him because there's…

We could say there is a strong argument Joe Biden and his family broke the law, and indeed there's a criminal investigation into Hunter and associates.

However not only did all the big tech companies not withdraw support for Biden or prevent his campaign from using their apps, they doubled down and censored the story so most voters would not hear of it before the elections.

Again, big double standards at play here from a moral sense.

The larger issue here is that the internet really isn't so decentralized as it used to be.

There's like 10-20 major companies that control the majority of services people use, or the underlying infrastructure that powers the whole internet. This goes against the original design of the internet which meant it to be fully decentralized so no single entity or small set of entities could prevent the flow of information.

We should try to go back in that direction, either through competition and free markets or by enforcing it via existing or new regulations to prevent situations like this from ever happening again.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Dumblydorr »

Who said free speech must extend to every private entity? Can I walk into anyone's home, business, property, or vicinity and say whatever I want with zero consequence? Why should websites have to allow anything to be written on their own website?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by amznthrwaway »

jevgeni wrote: post #657
beltex wrote: post #641

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” — George Orwell, Animal Farm I understand the moves by Stripe, Twitter, and co. However, I would argue that the long term implications set by this precedent are much worse. When the Snowden story first broke back in 2013, many on HN argued that, hey it's all good, I have nothing to hide, and I trust our President. Three short years later, who took…

Americans didn’t Weimar-Republic into a fascist regime this time, thankfully. The prevailing idea on HN is however “let’s have no regulation than bad regulation”... Guys, there’s such thing as good regulation.

HN is largely pro fascism, and pro white supremacy at any cost.

This is an extremely bigoted place, and as such there are a lot of people who ar quite comfortable with a civil war which they feel might benefit them. These people do not care about democracy.

This is a deliberate result of long running mod3ation decisions.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by ekianjo »

longtimegoogler wrote: post #661
adventured wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's no coincidence that Russian dissident Alexei Navalny spoke out against big tech conspiring together to censor Trump. He sees exactly what they're doing and knows where it leads. All big tech has to do now is tighten the screws further, and they can use their new standard to wipe out any challenger from the right half of the political spectrum before they ever gain traction (whether in media, with payment pro…

Your narrative is so false, it isn't even funny. The most liked and tweeted content on Twitter and Facebook skews heavily towards the right. Fox news is the most watched news show in this country. Your spin on the whole situation is a gross distortion of what is happening.

> fox news is the most watched news show in this country.

As a single source yes. But if you consider the total share of voice of the other side across all media Fox News is a distinct minority.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by nostromo »

pmiller2 wrote: post #458
camhart wrote: post #385

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Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.

He was trying to overturn the result of a democratically conducted election. You don't get to "both sides" this.

Democrats tried to disrupt the electoral college vote in 2016, and there were many faithless voters.

They failed, but they tried.

Not to mention four years of telling their base the election was stolen or hacked, followed by a pointless impeachment.

This is the new norm. And both sides are indeed complicit and escalating.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by heartbreak »

wnevets wrote: post #552
trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

Lets be honest, republicans (including trump) fought hard to allow companies to do this and much worse. They just though only cake companies in the bible belt would do it to gay couples, not to republicans.

> cake companies in the bible belt

s/bible belt/colorado

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