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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jchw »

loceng wrote: post #52
sjaak wrote: post #27

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Isn’t it strange that you have to make a disclaimer like “please don’t judge me?”. Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump, should you automatically be ashamed of that? (It’s easy for me to say ofc, I have no horse in this race)

Quite literally? Biden had ~81mm votes, Trump had ~74mm votes - and the US has a population of ~330 million. Edit to add: Downvoting facts?

They're downvoting everyone who is pointing out that Trump did not win the popular vote. This is frustrating given it is absolutely relevant, even if it is somewhat of a nitpick; the statement that "half of the US" voted for anyone is genuinely misleading.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by qorrect »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #502
eertami wrote: post #484

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It unequivocally is in no way relevant. Sure, if these people you mention had invaded the white house with weapons and make-shift bombs then it would be a fair comparison. However that didn't happen, it is a completely false equivalence. I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills.

>"I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills. " If you're worried about logical fallacies like Whataboutism, you've just committed an Ad Hominem. Why go there? Why question my humanity?

He's very angry and wants you to know it. If you don't agree with him, you are an idiot.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by seppin »

ng12 wrote: post #631
jakelazaroff wrote: post #584

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Your bookshelf doesn’t analyze your reading habits and recommend other books specifically to drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism. Your bookshelf doesn’t allow you to instantly connect with thousands of likeminded people to incubate terrorist plots.

> drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism This is what banning /r/the_donald and now /r/donaldtrump did. It doesn't stop the users from believing what they believe, it just further isolates them in an echo changer while simultaneously reinforcing the belief that the liberal media is "out to get them".

Such further isolation and radicalization was inevitable, large companies weren't going to host the process on their servers.

As they have every right not to do.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ufmace »

lamontcg wrote: post #610
thatguy0900 wrote: post #390

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Noone cares anymore about the left rioting

The left wasn't being actively encouraged and incited by the sitting President.

Not by the sitting President, but by every single mainstream media organization and a pretty solid fraction of sitting Democrat Congresspeople and Senators, who spent months excusing and denying violent riots as they raged for months.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by forserious »

lldbg wrote: post #423
andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

"We can guarantee freedom of speech, but not freedom after speech." Idi Amin. This year I have barely spoken more than 30 minutes to someone in real life, per day. If my interactions over the internet were to be as they say curated, I would effectively be silenced. I was a frequent reader of r/dt a few years back, as the top poster was. There was nothing in particular there, no trend, that was any more terrible than…

Do you accept that there is a difference between r/dt and your bookshelf?

In principal, are they different technologies? Or is all information, regardless of medium equal?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

pjc50 wrote: post #619
pedroma wrote: post #547

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This is why *chan websites have gotten so popular. Being anonymous in everything you post is refreshing. Short of posting illegal content, almost anything goes.

"Refreshing" in the "great place to plan a coup" sense? Eventually they are going to find that there's a limit to how much violence you can incite before getting slapped down, legally or otherwise.

No, anonymity is refreshing because a world where you are always on the record with your most formal identity with everything you say runs largely against the ways humans develop their worldviews: by trying on certain opinions, sorting themselves out, and participating in low stakes interactions where they can make mistakes and learn with minimal consequence.

This doesn't mean 'planning a coup' is one of these contexts, but you are focusing on a very narrow example of the broad social system impact of anonymity in online communication.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by wvenable »

willcipriano wrote: post #103
wvenable wrote: post #39

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If you don't like the rules, leave. You don't have to use reddit. > Ownership of the house changes every couple of decades If you can't control your house, what's the point of owning it? This undermines the whole concept of private ownership.

Sorry, I'm not talking about Reddit specially. The cultural pendulum travels back and forth so one day, sooner than you think, the people you disagree with will make the editorial decisions for the major social media platforms. If you want to make it the rule that it's fine for platforms like that to remove their political opponents, by all means I just suspect you or your children will regret it.

You didn't address my point. What about undermining the concept of ownership? You're saying that if I produce a website I should not be allowed to control what is posted there? Who is going to enforce that? I suspect you or your children would regret that sort of thing as well.

Perhaps the issue isn't that black and white.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by eznzt »

gruez wrote: post #456
eznzt wrote: post #296

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What is wrong with /r/sino?

Have you visited it? It's basically a pro-china circlejerk subreddit.

I have, and I don't see what's wrong with it. I understand it exists because /r/china is an anti-China circlejerk subreddit. If you don't like either of them then don't visit them?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

davesque wrote: post #615
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #609

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To only adhere to ideals when it's convenient is the same as having no ideals at all.

Would you have said the same thing on the Capitol steps on Wednesday?

The "OMG, it's a coup!!!11!" rhetoric is absurdly overblown, so yes.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ng12 »

Traster wrote: post #501
0x1F8B wrote: post #467

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> people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US. The hysterics in this thread are pretty rich.

I don't know how many people need to storm the capitol under the instructions of the loser of a recent election before you stop thinking the people commenting on it are "hysterical".

The protesters left peacefully after a few hours. The senate isn't holy ground, nor are the people inside it divine. They work for us, after all.

All things considered the events left me pretty unscathed.

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