Why don't we just give it to the old and sick people? Why would everyone take it?
Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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> on principle. What principle?
Everyone has the inalienable right to decline the vaccine for any reason, including: - They think it will be bad for their health or public health - They think it is some UN microchip plot - They have a moral objection to how it was developed - They think it is the actual “mark of the beast” from the Bible The people who decline will be in the minority (at least visibly), and they will be bullied relentlessly by the…
I am not sure I follow. I understand that people have the right to reject the vaccine, but it doesn't mean that I on principle should reject it as well.
If you don't want to take it for any reason whatsoever, fair enough. It's your right. But at least be honest and defend your choice on its own instead of hiding behind some "principle" that doesn't really exist.
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My county has less than 15% ICU bed availability.
And what was the average availability for the previous 5 years?
It was hovering around 30-40% 2 months ago, and was around 56% in May. Unfortunately historical data is hard to find since most gov/hospital websites only seem to show covid related data.
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Its a good question let me answer - some people can't get the vaccine. Right now, it's banned for people with allergies. Babies can't get it. For some people, they can never get it due to their immune system. Their only chance is never coming into contact with a contagious person, so that means as many of us need to get the vaccine as possible to ensure that doesn't happen.
Can anyone clarify what "allergies" mean in this context? I have a (now really mild) allergy to some pollen; as s child it made me miserable for two months (late April to early June) with nose constantly running, puffy eyes. Now I barely sneeze twice a day and only in some specific areas... never got tested so I don't know which plant I am allergic to (and if it is the plant getting extinct or my body getting better…
Do you have a chicken egg allergy, or have had a significant reaction to any b other vaccine? The former and you probably can't take the vaccines being rolled out at all, the latter and you need to proceed cautiously.
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It's not about what happens to you or to your healthy friends. The major difference here is the long incubation period. You catch the virus, you become contagious, you pass it on, and a few days later you develop your mild cold symptoms. You go through it and you are fine. But by allowing yourself to get infected in the first place, you have spread the virus to an unknown number of people. Down the road, perhaps mont…
Surely the same logic applies to all infectious diseases, and we should all get yearly flu shots, permanently practice social distancing, wear masks, etc. lest we maybe be complicit in the deaths of the vulnerable?
In some countries people wear masks when they have any respiratory diseases and do not touch the strangers they are greeting, which seems sensible. Otherwise, it depends on the parameters of the diseases you are trying to stay safe against.
The thing about the flu is that you develop symptoms earlier, so the window of oportunity for unknowing transmission is shorter (on average). From what we know at this time, it's a less deadly disease than COVID-19. And it mutates quickly, with each season bringing new strains. I think if it was possible to erradicate it completely through vaccination that would be something worth considering, too. Nobody likes that it exists.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
https://bgr.com/2020/10/21/coronavirus-death-rate-vs-flu-cdc... (sourced)
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#666I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why
There are barely 80 votes at the moment of writing this comment, of which barely 10 are a "NO", so it's a bit early for "high percentage". (Edit: Now it's 73/(798 + 279 + 73), less than 7%, so the point stands.) But I'm a "NO", FWIW. And while I'm not surprised by the "high percentage" of "YES" votes because of HN demographics, I do not approve. I mean, I don't really care what other people do with their lives, but t…
Thanks for your post and FWIW I don't think your views are crazy, selfish, unsympathetic or offensive at all.
If only the global attention and resources that have gone into the covid crisis could be channelled into the many equally, or more serious issues affecting humanity and the planet today (e.g poverty, oppression, war, over population, pollution, tuberculosis etc.). But they are not the new hot shiny problem, just our boring, faulty and irreplaceable legacy system.
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I will take it after a year or two. The US did a great job at politicizing the virus such that I don't really trust that pharma companies actually did their due diligence with regard to testing and safety measures. I accept that doctors and scientists will take it under the guise of them "knowing it's safe", and I accept that lots of people will say "If they're doing it, you should too", but I think this strategy jus…
Hey, we don't really know how safe it is to the extent we understand other drugs. But we've bounded the risk to be much, much less than COVID in almost all populations. (This may not end up being true of adolescents, but there's substantial reasons for adolescents to get vaccinated even if we cannot yet prove that the risk is lower than COVID. > I think that this vaccine is a choice, and once it's readily available i…
First, I appreciate you having a legitimate conversation about this stuff instead of dismissing my arguments for the aforementioned political issues. I think skepticism is fair on both sides.
> But we've bounded the risk to be much, much less than COVID in almost all populations.
Are you sure? And by sure I mean, there is enough data to prove this statement to be true? How?
> Generally, a whole lot of the reasons why we take vaccines is to provide collective protection.
This makes, sense, but is "collective protection" a right now thing? Or is collective protection the goal of a vaccination program over the course of 5-10 years? If the latter is true, is the stance of "I will wait 1-2 years until there is actual data" even at odds with this idea?
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#668I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why
The no response isn't that much higher than the Lizardman constant.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...
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#669Well, I was completely unaware that HN supported polls. This is a pleasant surprise.
Wow... if I had made that statement, I would have been immediately down-voted and my comment removed for not "following the rules".
And then I wonder why certain 'mods' or overzealous persons have it in for me...
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Or alternately, what the GP is really telling us is that the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos.
> the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos That was frankly my line of questioning. But at least in the German case, the vials and packaging looked legitimate. And it was a reputable doctor administering it at their home who claimed to have directly procured it, though I’m sure that meant warehouse workers or something in the middle, so who knows.
Looked legitimate? Do you have any idea how cheap a label maker is?