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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by klyrs »

lostmsu wrote: post #406
klyrs wrote: post #217

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That's two examples, literally the first two hits of an obvious search. Officials are acknowledging that these are wrongful arrests, why can't you? There's 110 cases mentioned in this article. Instead of demanding that we spoon-feed you evidence, please continue looking into the evidence. Because there's tons of it and you know how to find it. > The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now…

> Sure. Call it resolved. That does not mean that it didn't happen the way that it's being described. I am not arguing if the events are misstated. I will continue calling it resolved, as crew took the apology and does not seem to want anything else. So why bring it up again? > This is a really weird point to get hung up on, given that the title of the original article is "U.S. police have attacked journalists more t…

Tell me that this isn't intent.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY

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Post by rlt »

jascii wrote: post #380
kortilla wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stopping traffic risks the lives of people in ambulances so it’s pretty hard to condone that. Make noise, block access to some businesses, etc, but don’t block streets and cause traffic jams that could kill people FFS.

I have never in my life seen an ambulance be stopped by a protest, nor have ever heard of such an incident ever occuring.

Not an ambulance, but the fire department was (allegedly) blocked from reaching an occupied burning building in Richmond (VA) yesterday: https://youtu.be/AEncQKV8k_0?t=205

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by monoideism »

bigiain wrote: post #642
monoideism wrote: post #621

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> What's the process by which you established this as a known thing? Primary, by power of observation. But OK, I'll make this as vague and 100% foolproof as I can, to start: there are people who dress in black, and masks, and destroy stuff and commit violence at protests. That's from actual observation. It's not just 1-2, there are groups of them. That's my personal observation from being at 2 protests with such grou…

People who dress in black and destroy stuff like this guy? https://eurweb.com/2020/05/29/jacob-pederson-minneapolis-pol... Yeah, I smell a pattern too...

OK, so what was the group dressed like that in black who were doing it in the video I posted, in the Trump inauguration? That guy is textbook black bloc. There are hundreds of mainstream media videos showing guys dressed like him burning and destroying in prior protests, from Seattle WTO 1999, to Occupy, to more recent protests.

I urge HNers to read that article you posted and decide for themselves if it's credible.

Then, read the wikipedia article I posted, refer to the sources at the end, google around, and decide for yourself.

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Post by runawaybottle »

salawat wrote: post #628
acdha wrote: post #594

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That sounds better on a bumper sticker than when you think about it even slightly longer. The police have tons of guns, armored vehicles, and the backing of the largest military in the world. If you threaten them, do you really think they’re going to back down instead of getting bigger guns?

The big bad military isn't going to end up doing squat, because the moment they are employed, odds are unless there are a hell of a lot more people out there perfectly fine with watching what are largely peaceful protests get steamrolled. Furthermore, it'll be a tacit admission that the State's legitimacy is significantly compromised. Many in the military are, contrary to popular belief, quite patriotic, and very con…

I think you nailed it.

It’s tough to say which state will use Trump’s magnanimous offer to deploy the military, but similar to the lockdown, I can imagine a cascade across state governors taking the offer, and even more hilariously - a partisan split of Republican governors taking it and Democratic ones not. Perfect to bait back the base that secretly seethes at the racial undertones of events like this. The collective sentiment will be invisible in pre-election polls, but Trump knows how to conduct the silent orchestra. It seems unimaginable, but beware the hidden vote.

We’ll have to wait and see, but the stage for this to turn into a mockery is mostly set. NYC is on day two of a mandatory curfew.

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Post by bigiain »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #657
bigiain wrote: post #637

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He seems happy to accept that 1% (as a placeholder) of cops are murderers, and there's nothing we can do about that. (He claimed that in the context of property damage, which hides the actual implications of that carelessness, because it wasn't police property damage that triggered this current unrest...) I _strongly_ disagree. A cop committing assault or murder, while on the job, is a thing society needs to take gre…

Parent said property damage, not me. So your uncharitable assumptions about my intentions are way off on that point. If you want to reframe the issue from property damage to killing unarmed civilians, take it up with the parent. We were talking about the video of the cop randomly smashing windows. Not surprisingly, your straw man is just as bad. Nobody said or implied anything remotely close to a “shit happens” attit…

You said "stupid and abusive". Not the sort of terminology usually used for "property damage".

And yeah, I read (and just reread) your next sentence, and it still reads as a "shit happens" attitude to me.

As I read it, you're saying there's nothing we can possibly do to ensure that rate of "stupid and abusive" cops is any lower than the rate of "stupid and rioting" civilians. (Or the most optimistic reading of it I can see is that you think we can't do any better a job of ensuring a lower rate of stupid and abusive cops than we have now.)

I think we need to do a _way_ better job of screening cop applicants before giving them a badge and gun, and hold them to a way higher standard that is currently the case.

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Post by youeseh »

ashtonkem wrote: post #276
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

That renewed interest in free speech was never genuine. At the same time they were decrying Twitter “censorship” (mostly on Twitter, I will add), they were busy trying to force laws that would forbid people boycotting Israel from ever getting a government contract. The same people who were praising protest against lock downs are now saying that being out past curfew justifies being shot with a rubber baton. It was al…

Indeed. No one likes it when people disagree with them. And this is precisely why the freedom of speech is so important and has thankfully stood its tests in court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

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Post by dragonwriter »

monoideism wrote: post #663
bigiain wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who dress in black and destroy stuff like this guy? https://eurweb.com/2020/05/29/jacob-pederson-minneapolis-pol... Yeah, I smell a pattern too...

OK, so what was the group dressed like that in black who were doing it in the video I posted, in the Trump inauguration? That guy is textbook black bloc. There are hundreds of mainstream media videos showing guys dressed like him burning and destroying in prior protests, from Seattle WTO 1999, to Occupy, to more recent protests. I urge HNers to read that article you posted and decide for themselves if it's credible.…

> That guy is textbook black bloc.

An agent provocateur will always, except where it is physically impossible such as when no one of the right race is available for a group distinguished by race, outwardly appear as a textbook member of the targeted group. That's kind of central to the idea.

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Post by Natsu »

jascii wrote: post #380
kortilla wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stopping traffic risks the lives of people in ambulances so it’s pretty hard to condone that. Make noise, block access to some businesses, etc, but don’t block streets and cause traffic jams that could kill people FFS.

I have never in my life seen an ambulance be stopped by a protest, nor have ever heard of such an incident ever occuring.

When a Trump rally was protested back around 2016 in Phoenix, an ambulance was blocked.

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Post by jkestner »

jtbayly wrote: post #645
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #577

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I'm gunna go ahead and assume it was due to them being conservative white guys with guns.

Turns out guns are important for protecting yourself against government overreach and abuse. Who knew?

Judging by how black people _thought_ to have guns are treated, I’d say white skin is better at protecting you.
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