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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by p1necone » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

Good bluetooth headphones cost hundreds of dollars, good wired headphones can be < $100. And I never have to charge wired headphones - I can always rely on them to just work.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Nition » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 PM UTC

> The first iPhone SE was a hit with many customers who loved its unique combination of small size, high-end performance and affordable price; the new second-generation iPhone SE builds on that great idea and improves on it in every way.

Customers loved how it was both small and powerful, so we've improved it by making it much larger...[1]

OK, I realise they mean "small compared to the ridiculous size of other phones" here, but I still feel like they've missed the point. They could have had the only truly small and powerful phone on the market in 2020, on any OS! No competitors. They could have even kept the exact same old SE size and had an even bigger screen (5") if they went edge-to-edge.

[1] https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by 1propionyl » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

The "audiophiles" insisting on the need for 3.5mm analog output have always been strangely silent on the fact that they are tacitly accepting that whatever DAC is built into the phone is up to their standards.

That said, small but very decent DACs have been around for a while. There's one smaller than your pinky nail inside the lightning-to-3.5mm adapter included with newer iPhones.

There are plenty of good reasons to want a 3.5mm headphone jack on a phone. But audio quality is not one of them.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:04 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

It's strictly a decrease in functionality. My phone, with a headphone jack, also supports bluetooth, if I wanted to use it. What do I gain by losing the headphone jack?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by mtone » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 PM UTC

spurgu wrote: post #468

colechristensen wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a 95th-percentile-sized human, the large phones have been quite appreciated, there is quite a lot of frustration when everything in the world is the wrong size, whatever your size. Now if we could do something about airline seats, sedans, and home furniture.

Agree kind of, although airline seats, sedans and furniture haven't been trending towards one end of the spectrum over a number of years. And I think it sounds like a reasonable idea to offer cars with swappable (or well-adjustable) seats. Airlines already offer seats with extra legroom, as well as business class depending on your needs. The first touch devices might've been around 3.5-4" (just guessing here) but the…

Car size have steadily increased up to the early 2010s [1] and I haven't noticed a stop to this trend, especially when including the market movements towards car-like small SUVs.

Availability of smaller cars keeps going down (Honda Fit dropped in Canada, Toyota Prius C gone, etc.)

[1]: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/images/Car-Classes.png

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Nition » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

I don't know about everyone else but I sometimes use a 3.5mm to RCA cable to play music from the phone through a stereo.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

Yes you need it. I have a great pair of BT headphones, but I also have a great pair of wired headphones. There are times when I would prefer to use the wired ones, not the least of which is when walking through a busy city where BT likes to cut out from all the interference.

Our Mini-Van also doesn't have BT. I have to use my USB-C adapter which means I can't charge and listen at the same time. Very inconvenient on long trips when I'm also using the phone for navigation.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by tandr » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

> have fantastic battery life

But still less than a batter life of a phone. Running out of juice on them after a while become like a constant self-inflicting anxiety attack, with semi permanent jumps between "Should I plug them now in case I have to have it later" and "I like this song/track/mix, I will listen to it". IMHO, YMMV

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by 40four » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:06 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #161

Yes. I'm an Android user who is absolutely sick of phablets. I have a Pixel 3A (5.6") and it is way, way too big. I've been quite excited about this iPhone SE announcement. However, the lack of a headphone jack is a huge negative, and 4.7" is the absolute largest I think is reasonable. A little smaller would've been ideal. I'm undecided on whether to switch to the SE, but I genuinely hope it sells like crazy. Then ma…

They make corded headphones that plug into the power port. My XS came with a set of corded pods in the box. I assume this phone will to unless the strip of for price reasons. Either way they are available.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by adequateness » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 8:09 PM UTC

mavidser wrote: post #550

I am apparently in the minority here who prefers faceID, mostly because how transparent it is UX-wise. I don't have to do an additional 'Authenticate' press when opening protected apps, instead I pass through the security while the app loading animation completes. Though, it has been hell now with using face masks for the past few weeks, where I have to spend 5 seconds on every auth-screen, where it tries faceID twic…

I haven't tested it but people have had success with adding an "alternative appearance" in the FaceID settings and having it scan your face with half of it covered by a mask. Here is an article with pictures describing the process:

https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/08/iphone-how-to-use-face-id-wit...