We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline problem in engineering hiring

Post by dang » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #573

new_here wrote: post #514

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How is this the top rated comment? It swats down the post based on points that the post has already addressed: > Why do we place the blame and assign malice of intent to those who have little control over the constraints? The post suggests searching and hiring outside of the traditional pipeline, which is something that is within control. The comment is then topped off with a strawman argument: > If we put actual per…

How is this the top rated comment? Because it spells out a view that the majority agrees with. The post suggests searching and hiring outside of the traditional pipeline It suggests the only way to hire more women is to discriminate against the best credentialed candidates. It doesn't mean that the pursuit of gender parity is delusional Lots of us believe it's actually, truly delusional. How long have women been enco…

Post by smartasspolice » Fri, Dec 06, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

weberc2 wrote: post #465

hellisothers wrote: post #459

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I agree, 50% is probably an unreasonable goal, I could maybe even see arguing that any percent based goal is a bad goal. The goal should be “enough so those who are feeling disenfranchised don’t anymore” but that might be too squishy :)

That’s a laudable goal, and to that end I imagine it would do a world of good to stop the constant exaggeration of how disenfranchised those groups are (NOTE that I’m not saying these groups are fully enfranchised, only that the disenfranchisement is exaggerated). At some point, advertising tech as a bunch of rapey, Nazi frat bros is probably more offputting than whatever discrimination actually exists. Let’s ditch t…

Post by noparity » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 3:27 AM UTC

Post by abathur » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 7:32 PM UTC

abathur wrote: post #439

btilly wrote: post #27

I know it is not politically correct to say it, but I remain unconvinced that gender parity is a desirable goal. Particularly given the current state of research into differences in gender averages. Here is a real example. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_visualization_ability#... men have about a one standard deviation advantage in spacial reasoning over women. Assuming that both distributions are normal wi…

I wrote a few direct responses, but they all felt patronizing. Apologies for the length, but I'm hoping to avoid that by showing my math, as it were: About 7 years ago, I started to wonder about a cluster of concepts that I've yet to successfully explain to anyone without getting a confused look... Roughly, it's a curiosity about what (if anything) is in the joints and gaps and shadows around the more salient feature…