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Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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> Wow. It is astonishing to read this from a company being widely accused of an unfair 30% tax. Widely accused by people who do nothing at all.

This is a thinly-veiled personal attack :/

How is it a personal attack, if the subject is "people".

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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Why? Apple has Apple Music, has more music than Spotify and even if there is a track on Spotify and not in Apple Music, you can upload your own MP3s and stream them. I have a gigantic collection of Soundtracks and indie music there.

Like many people, I use spotify for music discovery. I don’t feel Apple Music can offer the same quality of recommended tracks for me/moods.

To me, Apple Music is vastly superior in that aspect.

Just the fact they have human curatorators that really know what they are doing, is telling.

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Why? Apple has Apple Music, has more music than Spotify and even if there is a track on Spotify and not in Apple Music, you can upload your own MP3s and stream them. I have a gigantic collection of Soundtracks and indie music there.

If Spotify wasn't on iOS I would move back to Android in an instant. I don't like Apple services because I don't want vendor lock in. I use Spotify because they're independent and support a large number of devices. This is just like how I use Sonos because they're independent and support a large number of services. Apple benefits greatly from having high quality, third party applications on iOS. Wasn't the lack of th…

Lots of people said that when a popular local carrier changed from free Spotify to free Apple Music on one of its plans. Everybody switched to Apple Music.

Windows Phone failed primarily because it didn't offer anything that Android or iOS couldn't offer.

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I am very hard-pressed to believe iOS has a monopoly by most arguments. Market share argument: Android has 71% market share in the EU, as of February 2019 - compared to iOS's 21%. [1] Ease of customer switching argument: If Apple pressed too much in a way that harmed consumers, there are many other cheaper alternative Android phones vs. iOS to which they can easily port their number over (say what you want about ISPs…

Your argument relies on combining the markets for iOS and Android apps into a single market. These are separate markets because you can't put an Android app on iPhone or an iOS app on Android. If iOS had 100% share, you probably wouldn't say it doesn't have a monopoly on apps because you can just use desktop apps instead. I also wouldn't say Comcast doesn't have a monopoly because they only have xx% share and you can…

Thats like saying that the market for car parts for fords and chevrolets are separate market and monopolized by ford and chevrolet respectively.

It's bunkum and doesn't fit with 100 years of antitrust law.

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The thing is obvious and I will explain it again, using a made up example so less emotions are attached 1 I have an app or service say X and I sell it for 5$ and this is the lowest price I can afford 2 Apple wants a 30% cut, so I will have to make my app 7$ . all is fine so far, the problem is at step 3 3 Apple clones my app names it iX(my original app was named X), makes it 5$ (or bundles it with some gift cars or o…

I get your point. I got your point the first time. But there are a lot of "ifs" in your hypothesis. Meanwhile Apple is not attempting to undercut Spotify in the retail space. And they are paying artists substantially more than Spotify for the music so they're clearly not attempting to run a more profitable business.

There is no IF, all Apple apps have unfair advantages, not only financial but I also mentioned access to private APIs.

The user looses when there is not enough competition, like you get stuck with a worse browser (but in this case this may be a deliberate thing to protect the app store)

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Software development is completely unrelated: of course Apple needs to provide software so developers can build apps so consumers have a reason to buy an iPhone in the first place. That has little to do with a marketplace. They can charge 30% because the marketplace (Apple's App Store & Google's playstore) are monopolies and they have complete control over the complete supply chain. If you want your app to be availab…

>They can charge 30% because the marketplace (Apple's App Store & Google's playstore) are monopolies and they have complete control over the complete supply chain. I agree with that. 30% is not a plausible rate in a well functioning market. But it's not 1% either, I can guarantee you that. So what is the right revenue share? Paddle charges 5% to act as a merchant of record for you (i.e as a reseller). That's what App…

Fair enough, especially if you account for the discovery (a form of marketing I guess). Within that scope I agree with you.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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That and the fact that they pay a shitload of money to Apple and Apple fucking won't allow Siri to work.

I guess you didn't take the time to read the full response: When we reached out to Spotify about Siri and AirPlay 2 support on several occasions, they’ve told us they’re working on it, and we stand ready to help them where we can.

Are they saying that there's no Siri or AirPlay2 integration because the Spotify developers just didn't get around to it yet? Last I checked the documentation the capabilities of what you can get from Siri were extremely locked down to only a handful of usecases

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> I think they've helped Spotify grow a lot Well no, Apple's even admit that Spotify didn't get their subscriptions through them: "only a tiny fraction of their subscriptions fall under Apple’s revenue-sharing model"

That means that only a fraction of iOS user bought Spotify subscription through App Store. It doesn’t mean that many iOS users are not paid subscribers.

Even the Apple statement acknowledges that the majority of users are on the free plan and bring revenue through ads.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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I am very hard-pressed to believe iOS has a monopoly by most arguments. Market share argument: Android has 71% market share in the EU, as of February 2019 - compared to iOS's 21%. [1] Ease of customer switching argument: If Apple pressed too much in a way that harmed consumers, there are many other cheaper alternative Android phones vs. iOS to which they can easily port their number over (say what you want about ISPs…

"Android has 71% market share in the EU, as of February 2019 - compared to iOS's 21%." I think it's worth pointing out that Spotify is a Swedish company, where iOS has a 58% market share, according to the site you linked. It could be that Spotify's main markets are ones where iOS has a more significant share. "In theory, if the 30% cut was too high, developers wouldn't want to develop on the iOS platform" The problem…

They're complaint has been made to the EU. Besides, they are a global company in many markets. Spotify are not "the little guys" they are claiming to be.
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