Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

blog.cloudflare.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

661–670 of 1001 posts

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#661

Post by rmc »

illuminati1911 wrote: post #615
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

There is always a line. Nearly everyone, every company, has a line.

Heck, this website itself asks that you don't be mean in comments.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#662

Post by mk89 »

tuna-piano wrote: post #77
r721 wrote: post #4

>“This was my decision. This is not Cloudflare’s general policy now, going forward,” Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince told Gizmodo. “I think we have to have a conversation over what part of the infrastructure stack is right to police content.” (from internal email) >Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning i…

It's so bizarre. He tries to have it both ways. He says "no one should have that power", but then says he did it literally earlier that day. He says CloudFlare isn't changing their "content-neutral" policy... but clearly they did change that policy. I have many reasons to oppose nazis, including incredibly personal ones. That said, I think crossing this content line for an infrastructure company is a big deal, and I…

He is a human being after all with his ideas and opinions...

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#663

Post by imron »

davidreiss wrote: post #363
tuna-piano wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so bizarre. He tries to have it both ways. He says "no one should have that power", but then says he did it literally earlier that day. He says CloudFlare isn't changing their "content-neutral" policy... but clearly they did change that policy. I have many reasons to oppose nazis, including incredibly personal ones. That said, I think crossing this content line for an infrastructure company is a big deal, and I…

> That said, I think crossing this content line for an infrastructure company is a big deal, and I hope it's not repeated. It's an incredibly terrible move. Such an arbitrary and biased move. What has happened in the past few years where everyone defended free speech to everyone deciding arbitrary and whimsical censorship is something to be lauded? It feels like someone just flipped a switch and people became pro-cen…

> The tech industry is doing the same the chinese or russians are doing

The tech industry gladly supplied most of the tech the Chinese and Russians used: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/ciscos-latest-attempt-...

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#664

Post by zug_zug »

Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Well, should we be taking down Alqueda websites? There seems to be an implicit assumption in this whole philosophy that if you prevent people from speaking their socially-backward beliefs (online, in person, in websites, in writing) then you'll somehow prevent negative behaviors.

I'm not convinced that's the case. I think progress requires a more nuanced approach than "punish the baddy," but an examination into the psychology and a discourse that shows you understand the frustrations that are being channeled into blind-rage.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#665

Post by [deleted] »

jmnicolas wrote: post #649
imbur wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Daily stormer, pol, and breitbart are all free to find another web host/CDN or start their own. There is no slippery slope with one business refusing to do business with another one. The business does not need to be accountable to anyone, because they have no requirement to host the daily stormer in the first place.

So a baker could refuse to make a cake for homosexuals then ?

[deleted]

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#666

Post by jrimbault »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #604
matttproud wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^^^ The parent comment hits the ball out of the park. The commentary on past posts on HN and elsewhere floors me. It seems one or two things are prevalent: 1. Folks will gladly loan the hangman the rope that he will use to hang you, your family, and your neighbors — all because of "purity of belief" in free speech. Sorry, hate to break it to you, but these illiberal forces are a clear and present danger to this comfo…

> They won't politely tolerate you. Deviants will be chastised, expelled/expatriated, jailed, or killed. If they have the power to? Yeah, in a heartbeat. But they're not the only ones, or the most powerful ones, just the most ostentatiously intolerant. > 1. Folks will gladly loan the hangman the rope that he will use to hang you, your family, and your neighbors — all because of "purity of belief" in free speech. If b…

>If both Nazis and (as an example) Communists have free speech

That's where the argument become null, communists ideas have been banned from the US political landscape for a long time and even mild socialists propositions are a call for arms for many USians.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#668

Post by mozumder »

Akujin wrote: post #641
Deestan wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> radical leftist agenda Being anti-nazi is "radical leftist" now?

Yea. Holy shit what the fuck is wrong with people.

Libertarian nerds.

You see this a lot in engineering circles. Too much hope, idealism and theory, not enough real-world socialization.

We have to identify and solve the problem of libertarianism wherever it pops up. There's something wrong with these unsocialized libertarians. The result is Nazi marches.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#669

Post by thinkMOAR »

Dear CloudFlare, Hi mr prince i know you read this.

Could you please apply the same policy to malicious sites that are you are proxying which you never bother to take down because of 'insert poor reasons here'? I think thats worse then to see or read an opinion i don't agree with, regardless of how explicit that opinion is or how badly i disagree. People should be able to say what they want where they want and not only when the largest part of the population/media agrees.

The limit lies at VIOLENCE. There never is a reason to enforce or show your opinion through means of violence. Ever.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

#670

Post by crottypeter »

dllthomas wrote: post #564
colllectorof wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protected classes in California include "political activities or affiliations". Also, did the website actually self-identify as Nazi, or were they just called that by other people?

Well, they seem to have been named by reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer.. .

Your link is broken. It works if I remove trailing dots..
Post reply on HN