Tech companies standing up is slightly hypocritical when they themselves do not act or make socially just decisions e.g paying less tax than they should be
I agree with the post but tech companies also need to claen up their own backyard before they can be a voice for good rather than just a voice for themselves
Time to Take a Stand
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We've been killing Muslim families in these countries for years, even under Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner.) Like or hate Trump, I'm surprised that now is the time to be outraged. It should've been ages ago.
I suspect the outrage has less to do with a rational analysis of polices and world events and more to do with virtue signaling and groupthink.
If I had to rationalize their stand it's to signal to potential foreign startups that YC is taking a stand on their behalf --YC relies on a lot of foreign talent to drive their portfolio, so it stands to measure that they would have concern about any potential impact on their business model.
If they were concerned about poor immigrants, the ones without anything beyond basic elementary education, they'd be taking a stand against Japanese policies, Singaporean policies, Korean policies, Brazilian policies, etc. (given they project internationally). Of course they'll say they are an American company so they can only affect American policies -well, but obviously they care more than just for Americans given their display of concern, so it should not be a reason not to express concern abroad as well but they don't because it does not impact how potential foreign talent view them (i.e. the poor Indonesian trying to get a visa to work in Japan, Taiwan or China, is little concern of theirs.)
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This is a de facto Muslim ban dressed up enough to make it constitutional. Please don't well-actually right now.
Then why are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, UAE, and Malaysia missing from this list? Serious question.
Because the buy a shitload amount of weapons from the US.
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#664I am affected personally by this. I have extended family members from Indonesia and Malaysia in the US who are still on Green Card. Although those countries aren't affected by the ban, who knows when Trump will decide to change his mind at his whim. But the time for talk has passed. I don't think very much is going to happen because Trump is empowered by his election victory, and he won't listen to anyone. Has he eve…
> I am affected personally by this. > Although those countries aren't affected by the ban... So, you have not yet been personally affected? That's like saying German citizens have been personally affected by this action.
I'm personally affected because my extended family is terrified of what could happen next. They do a lot of business in SE Asia, and can't afford to be locked out of the country indefinitely. We are all in it together, because we're a family, so yes, I'm personally affected.
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#665This is absolutely nuts. Green card holders (legal permanent residents of the United States) are being turned back from the US as soon as they get to the airport. They are being forced to file waivers which can be denied. How can legal permanent residents be denied entry? I mean this has to be breaking So many laws, how can this be ok?
How can legal permanent residents be denied entry? I mean this has to be breaking So many laws, how can this be ok? You have it wrong. The only people that can't be denied entry to the US are US citizens. When I had a Green Card it was made very clear to me that a green card does not guarantee entry to the US. For example, if you leave the US (and have a green card) for more than 6 months the onus is on you to prove…
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#666First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…
This is a de facto Muslim ban dressed up enough to make it constitutional. Please don't well-actually right now.
200 million from 7 countries temporarily suspended. 1.3 billion from the remaining 189 -- unaffected. Tell me again how this is a blanket Muslim ban?
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I'm not advocating violence. You can't have a rational discussion with people who believe the universe is 6000 years old.
Violence is usually the outcome when political discussion breaks down. So if your belief that discussion with Trump supporters is impossible is true, it would seem like time to hop to it.
Violence is not the only possible outcome when political discussion breaks down.
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I suspect the outrage has less to do with a rational analysis of polices and world events and more to do with virtue signaling and groupthink.
I'd respect some of these people (like SamA, and Zuckerberg, and others) much more if they were consistent in their views. These millionaires/billionaires who supported Sec. of State Clinton during her election, fully knowing the loss of Muslim life her actions caused abroad, now virtue signaling about Trump -- I just don't know how to take them seriously.
For eight years, Obama's detractors have been ranting how he's a spineless Muslim sympathizer because he's "afraid" of bombing his way through Iraq and Afghanistan. I can't think those internet warriors would have voted for Hillary Clinton.
So where are they now, and who are all these peace-loving people who suddenly came out of the woods in the last year to denounce Clinton for "loss of Muslim lives"?
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This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe Maybe they are not racist homophobes, but they voted a racist homophobe and his cabal into power. They knew that his was one of the expected outcomes. Voting is powerful and you are (co-)responsible for the outcome. If you don't want racist executive orders, don't vote for a racist. Simple as that.
Who do you vote for if you're a working class parent and you really, really, really don't want your children to earn less than you did at their age, but would prefer not to vote for a leader that the media seems to think is racist and homophobic? Because that's a tough decision to make. You might decide that the media is wrong, you might decide that your kids are the most important thing, or you might decide that pri…
You invest in education, obviously. Is there any other method that works?
Get rid of your television and replace your cable news subscription with a library card.
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The most effective action tech companies can take is what they did against SOPA: post large protest banners on popular websites. Though I don't think this is the right time to take that step. There are many outrages ahead, many will be directly related to tech, like killing net neutrality, forcing tech companies to compile Muslim registries, banning tech worker and student visas, and who knows what else. I think tech…
Don't post banners about the US refusing reentry to Green Card holders who are the spouses of American citizens, or who fought alongside our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, because that might dilute our protests against net neutrality ? After a period of 6-12 months outside the country, US Green Card holders lose their Green Cards .
After a period of 6-12 months outside the country, US Green Card holders lose their Green Cards.
In a time of grave concern for many green card holders, it's probably better to avoid this sort of inaccurate info. It's freakout time but let's stick to freaking out about true things.