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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by titzer »

dperfect wrote: post #649

It is quite impressive, but I'll honestly have a hard time getting excited about self-driving cars until I see a demo of driving at night in a snow storm (heck, even heavy rain would be nice to see) around road construction, poor signage and faint lines on the road. Believe it or not, those kinds of conditions are fairly common in places outside of California, and until we have self-driving cars that can do really we…

The video seemed to imply that the hardware is using cameras for navigation. What if a camera lens is simply dirty? Seems, very, very brittle.

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Post by beambot »

aerovistae wrote: post #650
beambot wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having the equipment ready and in action first... That seems to be Ms. Caldwell's point: Without the software or regulations in place, it's impossible to know if the "equipment is ready." I don't disagree with her on this one. (And I am long TSLA.)

The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now with this is to put as much hardware and software into the field as possible, often even without the customers knowing it's there, and gathering vast amounts of data from it, and gradually forcing it into widespread availability and acceptance, all while letting the system learn and improve itself, which is a necessary step. He's doing what he does best: fo…

I'm not disagreeing with you. I like the move; I think it's smart.

But saying it's an "autonomous car" because it has the sensors and computers just isn't so. When it gets the software, then it's an "autonomous car."

To use GPs analogy to the iPhone1: If Apple had just shipped the hardware without iOS, it wouldn't have been the iPhone.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by freehunter »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

Yeah but the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people. A poorly-built car easily can.

I like Tesla, just pointing out why people are right to demand they get it at least as good as humans before pushing it to market.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by freehunter »

randomdata wrote: post #630
freehunter wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My corollary to the Pareto principle: it's only applicable in 20% of cases, and even then it's only 80% applicable.

Much like comments on the internet. Only 20% are meant to be taken seriously, and even then, only 80% of the message is serious in nature.

Very good, I like that. I might have to steal that line.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by grecy »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays.

What I find really interesting about Tesla (and SpaceX and HyperLoop) criticism is that people think it will fail for what it doesn't do, instead of focusing on what it does do. What they don't realize is that all products in history that got hugely successful didn't do a ton of stuff initially. They just did some things really well.

Early washing machines were noisy as hell and got unbalanced all the time. But who cares? they washed clothes and everyone wanted one.

Early TVs were massive things with fussy screens and only in B&W.

The first iPhone was extremely slow and only had EDGE.

But rather than focus on what all of those things don't do, you only need to realize they do something really well, and that's why they are a huge success.

Even if the Tesla can't drive itself too well in heavy snow, or if the range is crap in really, really cold weather - WHO CARES? There are still tens of millions of people on earth that will lap them up because of the list of things they do so well.

Products don't fail or succeed because of what they don't do. They fail or succeed because of what they do do.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jasonallen »

When this becomes real, the next question becomes "why own the car"? What's the benefit of having it sit in a parking lot for 8 hours until I'm ready to go home. Seems like the future will become more Uber-like, where I call up rides whenever I want, and don't worry about parking, maintenance, etc....

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by hacker_9 »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #620
hacker_9 wrote: post #568

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True but humans are a known quantity. For the first time, we are letting 'something else' drive that thinks completely different to us, yet we are entrusting our lives to it. Because of our incredible image processing ability we can deal with a lot of shit that we may come across while driving. But the computer still has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Do you really want your life to end because an AI…

It's no less unnerving than going on a plane mostly piloted by computers that rockets through the sky at several hundred miles an hour. There will always be people that fear the loss of control but most people will realize that the convenience is worth giving such a thing up considering that once this technology is perfected you will ideally have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning than dying in a car acc…

It's a bit odd to compare self driving cars (which have to constantly evaluate their surroundings, change direction, and avoid obstacles such as parents and kids) to a machine that flies through the air with zero obstacles, has a minimum of three people at the helm, and they each have at least 1500 flight hours of training under their belt as an airline first officer first.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by vineet7kumar »

rsync wrote: post #551
scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

As much as I agree with you on the importance of good public transport, I am hopeful that the "car culture" will evolve into an alternative to the existing public transport systems; Once we have self-driving cars running on clean energy operating in an Uber like sharing economy model, there will be no need for car ownership and the cost of a ride will be low enough for the majority of people to afford. I understand that this is more difficult to achieve in reality than in ideas but I am hopeful. About health related issues, we will still have to look for other ways to make a healthier society.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by aerovistae »

beambot wrote: post #662
aerovistae wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now with this is to put as much hardware and software into the field as possible, often even without the customers knowing it's there, and gathering vast amounts of data from it, and gradually forcing it into widespread availability and acceptance, all while letting the system learn and improve itself, which is a necessary step. He's doing what he does best: fo…

I'm not disagreeing with you. I like the move; I think it's smart. But saying it's an "autonomous car" because it has the sensors and computers just isn't so. When it gets the software, then it's an "autonomous car." To use GPs analogy to the iPhone1: If Apple had just shipped the hardware without iOS, it wouldn't have been the iPhone.

That I agree with, yes. But he always stretches the wording. It's his version of advertising, and frankly I prefer it over dancing hamsters.
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