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Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Which in turn should be built into the browser and done automatically

I don't think Firefox should automatically spoof a Chrome user agent.

If a site doesn't work, I disagree. It should.

The web is becoming a monopoly anyway... a contradiction to what web once meant.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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I understand that. But multiple browsers have cloned uBlock-like ad blocking as their core functionality. For example Vivaldi, Brave. And they don't need MV2 to block ads, and use uBlock filters (easylist, abp filters, etc). So they block ads even if they don't support MV2 anymore.

If you understand that, then why are you saying we don’t need MV2. MV2 does more. It’s better.

We need MV2. But we can't get it. Google is stronger. So instead of fighting for MV2, I say we fight for another set of browser-specific APIs in browsers other than Google's.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Complete, authoritative list of Firefox extensions officially recommended by Mozilla. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?promoted=re... Some quite informative discussion on Firefox subreddit when I discovered and posted the above list there a few months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1pyvx2v/complete_a... The Recommended Extensions program description: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/k…

Interesting they'd recommend Decentraleyes: its default configuration disabled all HTTP link prefetching, which hurts performance in a way not apparent from the extension description.

Decentraleyes has worse issues than that, it’s been mostly abandoned for 7 years and never covered much [1]. LocalCDN is better, but coverage is still insufficient, it still has no chance of actually preventing a CDN connection more than once in a blue moon. Modern privacy folks don’t recommend tools like this because they don’t really work and they do make your network and timing signature much more unique and fingerprintable.

[1]: https://git.synz.io/Synzvato/decentraleyes/-/tree/master/res...

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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proof?

https://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+rewrites+their+terms...

Yeah, nah.

From your own google search:

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/s/wo3T5ZB8ig

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Right, basically no web browser has a profitable business model except through licensing or being subsidized through some other branch of the business. The best pure browser company in history was Opera, and they didn't fail because they weren't innovating. It is simply not a survivable model. People don't remember anything, but during Google's recent anti trust case, one floated "solution" was to spin Chrome off as…

FYI, Opera didn't fail as much as they sold out. It was still sustainable, but the former founder/CEO left over this spat and formed Vivaldi over it.

Thanks, that's good info. I found this thread from an ex Opera employee and to your point, they could have kept on with Presto, but didn't [1]. What remains true is that bad management chased profits and found a better path to more revenue by caving to webkit and Chromium. So it wasn't strictly unsustainable so much as outcompeted by better economics that came from abandoning Presto. I consider the soul of Opera to be gone at this point and the amount of personal integrity and vision it takes to swim against the current of short term revenue is another manifestation of unfavourable browser economics for sustaining an independent engine.

1. https://old.reddit.com/r/operabrowser/comments/3jxud3/exoper...

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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There’s also ad blockers for iOS safari, which I’m pretty sure doesn’t support ublock. There’s nothing in manifest v2 that’s required for ad blocking.

uBlock Origin Lite is available on iOS/iPadOS for Safari however last time I checked it’s inferior to AdGuard/Wipr due to the API it uses (it only works in Safari but doesn’t provide ad blocking in the web views like the other two do). Otherwise it’s equivalent with the desktop version.

Okay. So there’s still nothing in manifest v2 that’s required for ad blocking?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Does it really make a huge difference to keep supporting Manifest Version 2? I've installed uBlock Origin Lite in my Edge browser and I don't see any ads there either.

Yes, huge difference - MV2 version has sophisticated scripts to not only block ads but prevent tracking. With the lite version you might not be seeing most ads but you are certainly being tracked more - MV3 version might "hide" ads but the MV2 version is blocking requests from every being made. All those stats you hear about improved battery and reduced bandwidth usage with an adblocker are only true for the MV2 vers…

Wow, I thought I was pretty savvy about the differences between Manifest versions; however, I had no clue about the CNAME part. Any idea what specifically became unsupported in v3 that caused this?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Can't they just modify the browser itself with an injection into the executable surely there is a way around that

Operative work there is 'just'

Can't we just build a new internet

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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I use Firefox with (non-lite) uBlock Origin, and occasionally fire up Chrome (with uBO Lite) for testing. The main issue that I run into is that uBO lite filters can't vary per-domain, so in order to rule out an ad-blocking-false-positive on something I'm developing, I have to turn it off for _all_ sites, not just localhost. (Actual false positives are rare, but needing to check is not so rare.)

That's not true, the on/off toggle is per-site in uBlock Origin Lite.

...Huh. I just rechecked, and indeed it was. I may have been remembering a limitation that was present temporarily when the MV3 switchover happened.
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