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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by win311fwg »

joe_mamba wrote: post #378
mflaherty22 wrote: post #372

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Very reductionist comment- if you're an elected representative and you leave early to take a vacation knowing you'll be missing votes, you're not doing your job..

This. When I need to take my summer vacation, I need to request it to my manager in due time so the team can plan customer deliveries accordingly, and in my last day before leaving I need to do a handover of my open tasks to whoever will do the work in my absence. I can't just spontaneously decide one day that tomorrow I'm leaving for 2-4 weeks on vacation with no notice and no handover to my team. What's stopping ME…

> I can't just spontaneously decide one day [...]

Sure you can. What unstoppable force is going to prevent you?

You might find out there are undesirable consequences if you make that choice, but that is only if the employer decides to bring undesirable consequences. MEP employers in particular are generally apathetic about having an employee on staff. Extremely so — to the point that they won't even take a minute out of multiple years to say "hi" to the person they hired, never mind give any direction to the employee.

It doesn't have to be that way, but when the employer doesn't care, that is the way it will be.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by darig »

MaxwellJensen wrote: post #620
oofdere wrote: post #575

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our rights have largely held up even in the absurd world we live in, and the constitution continues to be a thorn on the side of those trying to abridge them. what we are seeing now is the conclusion of decades of eroding our rights and the tower still refuses to topple. though of course we're going to have a lot of work to do fixing it up after all is said and done.

Have you heard of the Patriot Act?

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Post by msdz »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #621
LtWorf wrote: post #600

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It cannot. EU laws are completely useless and must be implemented by every government as a local law, which won't be more powerful than the constitution. The problem is that constitutional courts should then say the law was against the constitution and cancel it, but will that happen?

In theory, it can't. But in reality, it does in important cases. Germany has implemented EU sanctions against a German journalist, which deprive him and his family of the ability to conduct basically any economic activity in Germany or even to leave the country. He is not allowed to work. No one is allowed to pay him money. He has to petition the government every time he wants to access even a small amount of the mon…

Genuinely thank you for linking to him and his case.

I live in Germany and am -principally- a massive advocate for and proponent of the free (or liberal) democratic basic order ("FDGO" [0]) we have had here for the last decades, and apart from Chat Control, I’m usually very highly pro-EU, too.

But reading this has genuinely left me in a bit of a shock now, and created some (for lack of a better word) FUD I haven’t felt before with regard to these two, eh, institutions governing us.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democratic_basic_order

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Post by jongjong »

andrepd wrote: post #601
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #544

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Nobody is automatically in favor. What are you talking about, that’s not how it worked at all.

Make a "reverse vote" to reject passing a law = abstentions mean you don't reject passing the law = abstentions mean you support passing the law

This is beyond retarded. It's not a loophole, it's too f stupid to count as a loophole. This interpretation is a violation of the law. They should jail every EU parliamentarian who claims that this is a valid interpretation.

Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

It completely perverts the entire system. With this approach, any law can be passed by a minority; just phrase as a negative.

I propose a new law: "The EU is hereby not not not abolished" ohh look, it failed to gain majority vote! EU is over! Everyone go home! Look at how clever I am finding loopholes!

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Post by ost-ing »

smashah wrote: post #533
drnick1 wrote: post #352

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Unhinged rant, this has nothing to do with Israel.

This is Pegasus by Policy. There is a reason why all Epsteinist Occupied Governments are pushing the same thing worldwide and that reason is so Israel can commit future Holocausts in peace and quiet. Israel is the horcrux of Emnity towards Freedom. This is why they destroy freedom everywhere they infect the halls of power. Yet people remain in denial because genociding third worlders is regular programming for Epstei…

What a vomit burger. “Evil”exists everywhere, not just in your biases

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by omnimus »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #551
belval wrote: post #265

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> Would they not be in favor of _less_ regulation so they can provide services to their users with fewer legal considerations? Regulatory capture. If the handling of user messages requires constant scanning and there are enough rules that you need a team of lawyers, then only Google, Meta and Apple will be able to afford it.

Apple is wholly against Chat Control.

Where did you get that impression? The main driver for Chat Control 2.0 is lobby org Internet Watch Foundation where Apple one of the main donors (along with Meta, Google, Microsoft, OpenAI)

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Post by gmueckl »

rendaw wrote: post #608
rowanG077 wrote: post #366

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Politicians can take vacations. Many things went wrong here but this ain't it.

This is an absurdly bad take. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/9/plenary-session... > Plenary sessions of Parliament take place 12 times per year in Strasbourg and last four days There are 48 days in sessions over a year. You're saying that it's too much to ask MEPs not to take holidays during those 48 days? Am I missing something here?

Most of the work of an MP is not sitting in plenary sessions looking bored. The normally important bits are in-between - committee and office work. This specific event here is an example of a plenary session suddenly being made extremely important by a procedural trick.

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Post by fp64 »

debugnik wrote: post #648
lifty wrote: post #623

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46 of 53 Greens/European Free Alliance MEPs voted to reject this, 3 abstained. Which greens you mean? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 Check the political groups tab. Yes means reject here.

And so did the right wing parties. EPP and S&P pushed this through

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Post by gmueckl »

paulddraper wrote: post #442
rowanG077 wrote: post #366

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Politicians can take vacations. Many things went wrong here but this ain't it.

What is the out of session time for?

For doing actual work? Getting in touch with constituents, listening to them, faction internal coordination, working on committee specific stuff, understanding proposals and motions of others, maybe filing their own... when taken seriously, this can be an intense job.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by throw_await »

mikestorrent wrote: post #529
mvdtnz wrote: post #468

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Ever worked with Europeans? This is how they treat work. In their culture taking vacation and actually switching off is part of the job. I'm not making a value judgement but their approach to work is very different to what some of us are used to.

So they should prorogue the entire Parliament and they all take a month off together. Why the fuck should some particular province or riding or whatever miss out on representation on an important issue just because their rep is out for a week on an island somewhere? Could they not have a proxy / surrogate??

They are already doing that. There is an official summer break until September 02.
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