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Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by AbsurdCensor »

rvrs wrote: post #604
tmhrtly wrote: post #571

> You want as much data as you can get about your health as quickly and as cheaply as possible. In other words, you want a technology optimized for getting as many “megabytes per second per dollar” of information about your body. This is so far from my vision of what I want from healthcare. I want a healthcare system that is optimised around A) proactively keeping me healthy, and B) reactively helping get back to hea…

>A) proactively keeping me healthy, This will never happen and arguably should not be the *medical* system's problem. It is just not feasible

I thought this was the main goal of things like preventative medicine. Earlier testing, and more frequent testing allows you to catch things while you still 'feel healthy' so they do not become a chronic problem in the long term. Simple things like tracking weight, blood pressure over time. Add in things like colonoscopies, breast exams, I would say most medicine should be preventative, ie keeping you healthy, rather than reactive, of just trying to try you when you are ill.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by jordanb »

monkeydust wrote: post #633
santiagobasulto wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you're not naming any cost related variable reflects your own current personal situation (privileged, I'd assume). But this is NOT the situation for most people in the world. Don't get me wrong, I'm also privileged. I can pay for pretty much any type of medical intervention that I'd need. So my variables are usually "comfort", "speed", "convenience", etc. But I know that this is NOT the most common scen…

If you ask people to rank say 5 things from top to bottom where the first thing at the top is what they are least cost conscious about and the one at bottom is what they are most - I would bet health would at the top slot for most of us. So relatively we would spend (whatever we have) on our health versus other things if we had conviction on the outcome.

"I want to be able to walk without pain but if it's gonna be expensive forget it!"

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by Saline9515 »

thebruce87m wrote: post #587
GTP wrote: post #560

I find the technology side intriguing and worth a deeper dive. But I'm not convinced about their view of having people casually going to a spa every week and getting a full body scan. AFAIK, some doctors tend to avoid full-body scans. The reason is that each body is different and has its own quirks. If you do a scan for no reason other than "I can do it fast", chances are that the scan will show something unusual. Bu…

> chances are that the scan will show something unusual Something unusual in a single one-off scan vs something unusual and changing over the course of multiple scans give two different views.

The main potential of this technology is that it's easy and fast, unlike classic MRIs. So someone could do a scan a month without a problem.

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Post by renegade-otter »

randusername wrote: post #632

> Beyond that, regulation is the next limit. Normally, for every diagnostic medical capability you need FDA approval. We’re starting by just giving you detailed body composition maps — and we’ll be submitting regular test results to the FDA for increased capabilities. This is just not how the FDA works. At all. You can't just email them slideware and marketing materials to keep them in the loop. You have to hire an a…

That may be true, but the FDA is no longer run by fiduciaries of the United States.

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Post by jcmontx »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #635
randusername wrote: post #632

> Beyond that, regulation is the next limit. Normally, for every diagnostic medical capability you need FDA approval. We’re starting by just giving you detailed body composition maps — and we’ll be submitting regular test results to the FDA for increased capabilities. This is just not how the FDA works. At all. You can't just email them slideware and marketing materials to keep them in the loop. You have to hire an a…

do they need FDA approval to have a good impact? it doesn't need to be a licensed medical device for me to interpret the data, and then verbally tell my doctor what's wrong this is similar to how people get a lot of medical value out of chatgpt today

Let's say you do a diagnostic based on the results of this machine. Later, patient suits and you have to answer for your diagnostic. If the only evidence for your diagnostic is coming from a non-FDA approved machine, you're liable.

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Post by spongebobstoes »

mapkkk wrote: post #645
aeonik wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't we do full body scans, learn about these "quirks", and document them in the wider science literature? I understand there are many benign tumors that doctors prefer to ignore in people, but eventually when scanning becomes portable and safe enough having regular access to scans could really help a lot of conditions.

We can and do full body scans. Typically in the context of research, or for focus/metastasis search in current clinical settings. The problem is that, in clinical practice, with every imaging technology there are trade-offs. Just because we see something out of the ordinary in a scan doesn't immediately tell us whether it's pathology, pathology worth investigating/treating, or if it's just a normal physiological vari…

"the people can't be trusted with knowledge" is a bad argument

we don't need to do much differently to take advantage of this data anyway. doctors already ask patients what changed recently

collect data passively. when a medical condition arises, you have a data source to correlate against the onset of the condition

currently we have almost no data, so doctors need to run multiple tests to identify possible causes

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Post by nDRDY »

randusername wrote: post #632

> Beyond that, regulation is the next limit. Normally, for every diagnostic medical capability you need FDA approval. We’re starting by just giving you detailed body composition maps — and we’ll be submitting regular test results to the FDA for increased capabilities. This is just not how the FDA works. At all. You can't just email them slideware and marketing materials to keep them in the loop. You have to hire an a…

For reference, OP is talking about the 510(k) process. One of the issues with that process is that an approved medical device may end up with a whole tree of "derivative" devices approved through the 510(k) process. If that original device is then found to have problems and has its approval removed, those derivative devices do not also become unapproved.

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Post by spongebobstoes »

saghm wrote: post #631
khafra wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the dark ages of machine learning, researchers tried to fit natural language into a defined, human-curated taxonomy. It kinda worked, for a reasonable amount of stuff; but failed quite a lot of the time, and there's an extremely long tail of things that would have been pragmatically impossible to ever address with that method--indeed, without adopting an entirely new, unsupervised model of language, continuous in…

It's not unreasonable to think that the level of acceptable risk for "the language model parsed my text wrong" is in average much higher than "the medical model misdiagnosed my condition". You can probably come up with scenarios where a language model behaving unexpectedly would have drastic consequences if you imagine them hooked up to automatic systems where they have immediate control over actions that can't easil…

this doesn't need to be a diagnostic model, just a data source for existing doctors

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by JackFr »

iDon wrote: post #541

> ... It starts by stepping into a shallow pool of golden light. > ... Together they act as both a choir and an audience I think I'm not the target audience. I guess they are going to need to sign up a lot of people, to train on their scans + their medical outcomes. So the article is talking to people who will get enthused by it, which is more difficult after the question of 23AndMe data sale.

I’m a weirdo who vaguely enjoys my MRIs. I’m moderately claustrophobic, but they still don’t really bother me. And I love the warming feeling that makes me feel like I’m getting microwaved.
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