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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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It was four years ago that GitHub had major enough outages with their database that they had to issue a press release ( https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-... ). Five months ago I was actually still recommending GitHub. Then a month ago I left the platform, because I couldn't get shit done anymore. The alternatives aren't great. If any VCs wanna send a couple hundred grand my way, I'd be will…

We did raise $4.5M recently to build exactly this: https://tangled.org

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

If anyone reading this is curious of their own, you can go to https://api.github.com/users/YOUR_USERNAME_HERE and fetch it. My ID is just over 10,000. Crazy to think of the journey that I've had in computing since I signed up for GitHub.

Around 40000 and a real name with 4 digits. Thought I was late.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Deeper than that, but likely also that. CV-driven development, a treadmill of features nobody needs that hurts stability we do need.

When did every company become a feature factory? Was tech ever not like this, or is it just how it works? It seems like they all end up this way, and it's really dumb.

Software always was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski#Zawinski's_Law

Hardware, I don't know. Possibly always was too, I think even non-tech hardware was pushing more features as an excuse for shorter product lives back around the Great Depression, give or take a decade.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I know gitea / forgejo will be a popular suggestion, either self-hosted or via something like Codeberg. Despite also being a GitHub user since 2010 and also "doomscrolling" issues for projects I am involved in, I do host a gitea for personal projects where I don't need the GitHub network effect. It works well and is surprisingly capable!

Having said that, I stumbled upon this curious blog post about a security issues in Forgejo: https://dustri.org/b/carrot-disclosure-forgejo.html

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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What is confusing to me, is as a business I would happily pay GitHub for many many features that I pay others for. Maybe MS thinks its just a billion here, billion there, but isn't it so easy to capture these? 1. faster more configureable action runtimes so I can get faster builds 2. usable merge queues because the github one is a joke 3. some reasonable CI management and workflow debugging features

re: #1, Blacksmith (https://blacksmith.sh) exists and it works pretty well!

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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>It’s not a fun place for me to be anymore. I want to be there but it doesn't want me to be there. I want to get work done and it doesn't want me to get work done. I want to ship software and it doesn't want me to ship software. Has anyone else shared this sentiment? If so Redmond needs to lean in hard. this is an absolute killing blow for Microsoft if it gains real traction. You made developers your cornerstone eigh…

> you spent another 2bn on minecraft to clinch the deal with young developers and the code camp kids

You think? They're still pushing the "native" Minecraft that isn't scriptable aren't they? And maintaining the fully moddable java MC against their will.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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It really has been remarkable watching GitHub just crumble as an organization. There's a lot of discussion about why: the switch from being independent to being part of Microsoft, having resources pushed to Copilot instead of core service, the organization structure itself, a reliance on vibe coding, etc etc. Regardless of the reason, it's undeniable that GitHub is facing some serious issues. The unofficial status pa…

> insider perspective on this I do not work at MSFT but I don't feel that I need insider perspective to understand what's going on. GitHub is being managed the way other services get managed once they're bought by big companies. Initially fine, then starts to decline, then eventually craters. Everything becomes the numbers game. Microsoft, Oracle, VMware, CA (where software goes to die), Salesforce, the list goes on.…

Big companies usually buy other small companies for their users, once the users move to their platform, things change.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Some years ago I wondered how long will it take them to go they way sourceforge went. Once you grow too much without a proper leader, you will fall :(.

Comparing GitHub and SourceForge as if they were cut from the same cloth is laughable to me. SF has always been a wretched hive of ads and dark patterns.

Not always. Before dice bought them they didn't do the ads. I even remember early on when you had to submit a project for approval before you got a CVS repo.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Is there any service left that will just host your git and offer issues and PRs without cramming anything else down your throat, especially automated help, LLM based or not?

Ideally with private repos for free or a modest fee.

Gitea doesn't count because they only want to sell hosting to large organizations. The pre MS github model for private repos was just fine(tm).

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I find that so fascinating... I know GitHub since decades. Over said decades I've worked on countless (open source) projects there. Professionally? 1 project in all those years. Yes, exactly 1 (still there). Every single other project was either in bitbucket, gitlab, gitea, forgejo or... I am sure I forgot some forge. What I am trying to convey is: fascinating how "everything is on GitHub" is a very american way to s…

Ironically, I was thinking that the Github downtime is an American view in and of itself. For us living in the European time zones, Github is hardly down during our business hours. It's mostly down during US business hours, then demand is highest.
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