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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Technically incorrect, Supreme Court precedent has held that aliens are entitled to lesser First Amendment protections while seeking to enter the United States. You could be on US Soil (i.e. entering customs at an airport) and those protections don't apply. The person in question said he was in Geneva when he received the email from Google. Therefore is a non-US citizen residing outside the country entitled to 1A pro…

To condone what happens to him, you must first condone that your government lists and identifies people attending opponent meetings. Whether the government waits for him to leave the country to violate his rights feels like a small detail in this issue. Also, if you intend to claim that us foreigners are free targets for any abhorent behaviour of your government, maybe you should rename your bill of rights a bill of…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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No the government can't just revoke a visa because Trump doesn't like your face, the reasons must be based in law and there is the pesky thing called due process that needs to be followed. I am honestly flabbergasted that people think the government can just do willy billy.

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While this may be good practical advice, it's the principle that matters.

The Administration is testing how far it can go and today it's non-citizens, tomorrow it's citizens.

In fact citizens' rights have already been violated, for example, with numerous reports of Native Americans getting picked up by ICE. DHS goons drunk on power don't care about racial profiling. They have quotas to fill!

So, next you'll say:

"Should have known better than to look Mexican in front of that Home Depot.."

"Should have known better to look Mexican out on the street.."

Do you see where this leads?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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If the data is encrypted, it can go on the cloud, though.

It still is risky, as who knows what tools NSA & cie really have. Even if it feels safe now, it can be stored by them, and what will (quantum?) computers be able to do in a decade? And how will the US gov look like at that time?

My understanding is that symmetric cryptography is not at risk from quantum computers, though. For a backup, symmetric cryptography is fine.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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It still is risky, as who knows what tools NSA & cie really have. Even if it feels safe now, it can be stored by them, and what will (quantum?) computers be able to do in a decade? And how will the US gov look like at that time?

Exactly. People aren't taking SNDL seriously enough.

Isn't symmetric cryptography safe from quantum computers? For your backup, just use a symmetric key, right?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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I don't think "both sides" works very well when one side has been supporting the murder of citizens for exercising their free speech, calling for denaturalization of citizens for expressing the wrong opinions or being from the wrong community, openly suppressing criticism by threatening to revoke broadcast licenses and barring reporters from DoD briefings for not taking sufficiently flattering photos. I don't think a…

>I don't think "both sides" works very well when one side has been supporting the murder of citizens for exercising their free speech Obama was murdering US citizens for exercising their free speech, and their children, more than a decade ago. >But of the options currently available, one is much less bad than the other. If one person says they are going to stab 99 people and the other person says they are going to st…

Trump's second term has had dire consequences for the US that are simply not on the same level as Obama, and it could have been avoided. The democrats are also terrible, but it's a matter of harm reduction. In this case, I would strongly argue that the difference was greater than 99 and 100.

You should vote to do harm reduction. Elections happen regardless of what you do. Whether 30% or 100% of Americans vote, the winners of elections still get access to the same amount of state power. The system does not require our political participation to continue to exert control our lives. Abstaining from voting is not an effective tactic in reducing the legitimacy of the system. That tactic might work in other situations, but not in this one.

I hope you will keep your distaste for both parties, but still vote for the lesser evil, even if it's distasteful. Because I think we should help that one person not get stabbed. And if indeed you have voted for the lesser evil and my post has a tone that assumes otherwise, I apologize.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Does the government need a reason to revoke a persons visa? First amendment or not, that is the real question. If no reason is needed then whether the first amendment applies or not is moot. There seems to be broad discretion that the government has in revoking visas.

No the government can't just revoke a visa because Trump doesn't like your face, the reasons must be based in law and there is the pesky thing called due process that needs to be followed. I am honestly flabbergasted that people think the government can just do willy billy.

Yes, a visa can be revoked just that easily.

It's a guest pass.

When getting a visa you're basically asked to agree to America's terms of service. Violations can be found pretty easily in the fine print if someone is really looking.

From there it's the same administrative work to revoke and deport as it is to say ban someone from Twitch for saying the wrong thing.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The video shows them get past security / push past security, then protest / disrupt the career fair. Your framing had me expecting a degree of mayhem and violence that was absent here.

The police would've been justified in arresting everyone present the second they broke through the door with the explicit intent of disrupting the career fair. This is exactly the kind of mayhem and violence that the police exist in order to deter; if the police were unwilling or unable to arrest the protesters, the event organizers should have done so.

Yeah! Just like at the United States Capitol.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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What part of the feature set in particular has been lacking in competitors? EDIT: asking because I've been working on an alternative of sorts. I used GV a lot before I figured I could go without it/Google.

I'm not sure what the OP does, but at least for me I find myself chained to Google Voice for SMS 2FA use because it's basically the only phone number provider that cannot be exploited with a sim swap attack (same deal with Google Fi). And while I don't necessarily trust Google, their account security is leagues ahead of anyone else imo. I previously looked at jmp.chat but they didn't really inspire confidence on the…

My use cases include 2FA and I like the added security that Voice provides, but it's not really added security, it's just moving the risk from your cell provider to Google. IMHO, Google does security better than the cell providers do.

I like the muti-platform integration of Voice. I use it on my iPad, on my Android phone, and mostly from my desktop. It works well on all platforms.

When I'm at home, I mainly use my VoIP phones. GV forwards to them, and they spoof my GV numbers when I make outgoing calls.

I like the spam text and call protections that GV provides. I believe they're partnered and integrated with Nomorobo.

I also have jmp.chat. It has capabilities that GV doesn't have, but it's not well integrated. (I use Cheogram on my Android phone, but there's no easily usable client on my iPad, or my desktop.)

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The police would've been justified in arresting everyone present the second they broke through the door with the explicit intent of disrupting the career fair. This is exactly the kind of mayhem and violence that the police exist in order to deter; if the police were unwilling or unable to arrest the protesters, the event organizers should have done so.

They pushed past the police cordon, nothing was broken physically / no property damage was caused. The link itself describes it as a disruption of the career fair.

If this person was on a visa, this is enough of an excuse to start looking at the fine print to see how I can get this person's visa revoked.
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