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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by donkeybeer »

dlubarov wrote: post #650
donkeybeer wrote: post #649

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Israeli's are people like anyone else. However they are a peoples who are heavily propagandized to be fearful and hateful of everything since birth by their government, a peoples who have in my view become somewhat pathological as a reaction to the Holocaust. It is not wholly their fault. There are good people and bad people like in any country or group. But what I have seen of them has been more than enough for me,…

There's no need for anyone to "propagandize" Israelis into fearing attacks; they personally experience enemy attacks all the time. So much so that a lot of Israelis are just sleeping in bomb shelters at this point, so they don't have to jump out of bed and run whenever there's yet another nighttime attack.

You don't want to go into "who fired the first shot". The terrorist group who did the King David Hotel bombing yielded one of Israel's prime ministers. The formation of the country itself was a series of violent terroristic attacks by self proclaimed zionists. I do not say the arab countries around them are innocent, but that who fired the first shot does not leave Israel innocent either. Israeli's are just experiencing for the first time the fun of bomb shelters that all their neighbors felt due to them for years.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by dlubarov »

donkeybeer wrote: post #651
dlubarov wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need for anyone to "propagandize" Israelis into fearing attacks; they personally experience enemy attacks all the time. So much so that a lot of Israelis are just sleeping in bomb shelters at this point, so they don't have to jump out of bed and run whenever there's yet another nighttime attack.

You don't want to go into "who fired the first shot". The terrorist group who did the King David Hotel bombing yielded one of Israel's prime ministers. The formation of the country itself was a series of violent terroristic attacks by self proclaimed zionists. I do not say the arab countries around them are innocent, but that who fired the first shot does not leave Israel innocent either. Israeli's are just experienc…

I didn't say anything about who fired the first shot. I was just responding to

> Greater Israel expansionism is something Israeli leaders including Bibi constantly say. Israel wants Lebensraum.

The reality is that Israelis don't care about ancient maps, they care about the terrorists operating in Lebanon that have been bombarding them for years.

> Israeli's are just experiencing for the first time

Not at all. Israel was attacked by five armies the day after it declared independence, and has been attacked many times since, including regular rocket attacks over the past ~25 years.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by donkeybeer »

dlubarov wrote: post #652
donkeybeer wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't want to go into "who fired the first shot". The terrorist group who did the King David Hotel bombing yielded one of Israel's prime ministers. The formation of the country itself was a series of violent terroristic attacks by self proclaimed zionists. I do not say the arab countries around them are innocent, but that who fired the first shot does not leave Israel innocent either. Israeli's are just experienc…

I didn't say anything about who fired the first shot. I was just responding to > Greater Israel expansionism is something Israeli leaders including Bibi constantly say. Israel wants Lebensraum. The reality is that Israelis don't care about ancient maps, they care about the terrorists operating in Lebanon that have been bombarding them for years. > Israeli's are just experiencing for the first time Not at all. Israel…

What's not to care about who fired the first shot? I am not talking about 3000 year old maps, though Bibi is. I am talking about events in the late 1940s where jewish terrorists constant bloodsoaked violence and terror led to rhe states foundation, including prime ministers being extracted from one of these terror outfits. It's all a direct continuation of that.

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cardanome wrote: post #205
kortilla wrote: post #145

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How is China getting that oil without problem? Something like 90% of it when through Kharg island which is now rubble.

The attacks against Kharg Island were relatively limited as even the US wanted to avoid that level of escalation. The war has been painful but Iran could rebuild, if you destroyed Kharg island it would take decades to rebuild the Iranian economy, that would be a complete scorched earth point of no return. Maybe there have been further attacks today that I missed but if true that would be an huge escalation. My last i…

“Could rebuild” is not congruent with China having “no problem getting oil”.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by cardanome »

kortilla wrote: post #654
cardanome wrote: post #205

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The attacks against Kharg Island were relatively limited as even the US wanted to avoid that level of escalation. The war has been painful but Iran could rebuild, if you destroyed Kharg island it would take decades to rebuild the Iranian economy, that would be a complete scorched earth point of no return. Maybe there have been further attacks today that I missed but if true that would be an huge escalation. My last i…

“Could rebuild” is not congruent with China having “no problem getting oil”.

Iran is currently exporting more oil to China than before the war. That is a fact. Not sure what your point is.

The rebuilding was referring to the destruction of Iranian infrastructure in general. The oil is still getting exported.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by gambutin »

srean wrote: post #392
gambutin wrote: post #381

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Have you ever been in Iran? Do you know any Iranians and have you talked to them recently? Do you know what Khomeini did to his fellow leftist who toppled the Shah?

No. But many that I know have. They all had a lovely lovely time and to this day reminisce fondly about the hospitality they received from the people, from the officials. As complete strangers they were invited into their homes to share dinner with family, with much post dinner merriment and singing and dancing. Note, my people were complete strangers to them, foreigners too. Some of my people were young men, they gi…

Thank you.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by Schmerika »

gzread wrote: post #601
Schmerika wrote: post #590

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By what metric? Certainly not by lives lost, damage done, or dollars embezzled. Not by interference in other countries, or apocalyptic rhetoric. So, what exactly is your opinion based on?

I thought Trump caused more of the first three as well?

Nope.

Where are you getting your news from?

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