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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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> Economic power (US will no longer be the world reserve currency). As a reminder, reserve currencies are just currencies that are held in large amounts by national banks and other important institutions. The USD, like the Euro, Yen, Pound, and others are all reserve currencies. The USD is the dominant currency, in part because the US is in the Middle East right now doing exactly what it is doing by using the militar…

>If 4 years of Trump being mean was all it took to erase all soft power the US ever had, then it never had it in the first place and it wasn't worth caring about That's a weird statement. Like all it was were some empty words. The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US. The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Americ…

> That's a weird statement.

What do you find weird about it?

> The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US.

I'm not against the current system, generally speaking. Critical of it, at times, absolutely. But not against it. Apologies if I gave you the wrong impression there.

> The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Americans are superior human beings?

I think our culture and policies were superior, and then toss in a gigantic country with access to both oceans, incredible natural resources, and well protected and you have a recipe for an economic and military super power. So it's a combination of things really. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss the cultural attributes though.

> ..what, exactly, are you trying to say here?

Idk, people are making fun of the US "begging for help" against Iran. I'm going to make fun of the EU begging for US help against Ukraine.

> Other than yes, the US does in fact seem to be siding with Putin in spite of a few attempts at acting neutral.

US isn't siding with Putin. China and Iran are though. Or have you forgotten that Iran [1] is building and selling drones to Russia who is using those drones to bomb innocent civilians in Ukraine? Or have you also forgotten that China is supplying Russia with equipment and weaponry, often times under cover to evade sanctions? But sure, saulapremium, it's the US who is siding with Putin and we certainly didn't give Ukraine tens of billions of dollars in support, we certainly didn't rush missiles to Ukraine to help them fight against Russia, nor did we sanction Russia to hell, stop Venezuela from skirting those sanctions, and we can't possibly still providing intelligence and targeting support to Ukraine.

This is what I'm talking about. If all it takes are a few mean words from our idiot president and now all of a sudden it's the US who is siding with Russia, then what are we even doing here? Why should Americans even bother caring about our allies?

You need a recalibration in your understanding of who is doing what here and who the bad guys are.

[1] Iran is also funding militias in the Middle East to try and start wars, today is hanging people for peacefully protesting, killed an estimated 30,000 of its own citizens this year over protests, and when the US attacked its military instead of just targeting military bases, or even the oil infrastructure, Iran is lobbying missiles at apartment complexes, threatening to kill people at amusement parks worldwide, and more.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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This makes me think of a thought I had the last weeks and months with the geopolitical chaos currently in the world:

While understanding the danger of dictators and technical mistakes and the chaos that would ensue, besides that, what would happen if just every or even just most countries had nukes? Just give them to everybody, and I'm really not convinced we would end up in a Fallout situation but maybe quite a peaceful one? No expert in that but tbh when you think about it most of the countries getting fucked don't have them and the aggressor always seems to do.

I realize this is very simplified and many things I'm probably not seeing but I'm open to learn.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

Oh stop being so self-loathing: Israel was created by a mandate from the League of Nations. So, most of the planet (1) (1) Well, excluding Ethiopia because they still thought it was cool to have slaves.

Funny that you should mention that mandate. A "mandate territory" is simply a transfer of colonial rule from a loser of World War I to a victor of the war. In no way should the term "mandate" here be construed as an agreement that was supported by broad consensus.

A little context: The League of Nations was established by the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW I. That treaty was fully drafted by Britain, France, the United States, and Italy; the first members of the League included all allied victors of the war, their (former) colonies, and the colonies of the losers of the war, which became the mandates you refer to. Many countries that were neutral in the WW I were extended an invite to join the League, but they were not present during negotiations in Versailles.

So, contrary to what you suggest, the League of Nations never voted on the establishment of these "mandates", as they were simply the result of the World War I victors divvying up the spoils of war -- and for Palestine specifically, the so-called "Principal Allied Powers" explicitly reserved those powers for themselves without any input from the rest of the League [0]:

> The San Remo Resolution passed on 25 April 1920 determined the allocation of Class "A" League of Nations mandates for the administration of three then-undefined Ottoman territories in the Middle East: "Palestine", "Syria" and "Mesopotamia". The boundaries of the three territories were "to be determined [at a later date] by the Principal Allied Powers"

So no, "most of the planet" did not weigh in on the establishment of the Palestinian territory; that burden of responsibility squarely falls back on Britain, France, Italy, Japan, and the US.

Also, your claim that Israel was created by the League Of Nations is an anachronism. The League of Nations was disbanded on 18 April 1946 (subsumed into the United Nations), and Israel did not become a nation state until 14 May 1948. Before that date, the territory was known as the Mandate of Palestine.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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>If 4 years of Trump being mean was all it took to erase all soft power the US ever had, then it never had it in the first place and it wasn't worth caring about That's a weird statement. Like all it was were some empty words. The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US. The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Americ…

> That's a weird statement. What do you find weird about it? > The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US. I'm not against the current system, generally speaking. Critical of it, at times, absolutely. But not against it. Apologies if I gave you the wrong impression there. > The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Am…

>a few mean words

...right...

>and now all of a sudden it's the US who is siding with Russia

No, it's not the mean words that indicate this, it's more the open and obvious siding with Russia that does that. And before you go and collect a list of things that Trump has done which have hurt Putin, let me respond to that right away: The fact that he is a bull in a china shop who hurts everyone, whether they're on his side or not, doesn't change the fact that it's clear to anyone and everyone who's side he is on.

>people are making fun of the US

..nobody made fun. Eupolemos was showing you that you are losing soft power, the thing that you don't see any value in.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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> That's a weird statement. What do you find weird about it? > The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US. I'm not against the current system, generally speaking. Critical of it, at times, absolutely. But not against it. Apologies if I gave you the wrong impression there. > The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Am…

>a few mean words ...right... >and now all of a sudden it's the US who is siding with Russia No, it's not the mean words that indicate this, it's more the open and obvious siding with Russia that does that. And before you go and collect a list of things that Trump has done which have hurt Putin, let me respond to that right away: The fact that he is a bull in a china shop who hurts everyone, whether they're on his si…

“Losing soft power” in this context is “US does something we disagree with”. It’s like my sitting here saying the EU is losing soft power by not taking on Iran and stopping their government from all the bad things they are doing.

> No, it's not the mean words that indicate this, it's more the open and obvious siding with Russia that does that. And before you go and collect a list of things that Trump has done which have hurt Putin, let me respond to that right away: The fact that he is a bull in a china shop who hurts everyone, whether they're on his side or not, doesn't change the fact that it's clear to anyone and everyone who's side he is on.

Trump is a bull in a China shop and still helping Ukraine. But the US is the bad guy and losing soft power while Iran and China help Russia prosecute its unjust war against Ukraine.

Let’s talk about the soft power China is losing by supporting Russia, or Iran for that matter.

You know there was a famous and accurate saying by Winston Churchill that America will always do the right thing after it has exhausted all other options. I think that’s more true of the EU today than it is of the United States.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Covid, Russia and the axis of US+Israel has done massive damage to the European psyche. Covid showed us how economically dependent we are to major manufacturing countries like China. Paper money != ability to manufacture. Russia broke any notion of peace that can be funded by cheap energy. It will always be a tool used against you, and Russia will not change. The axis of US+Israel is breaking down the international s…

Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity. Sweden where I am has seen a HUGE uplift in military spend, and the companies like SAAB and Bofors (heheh) Germany is the big loser as they had cheap Russian energy and shut down their nuclear plants. Where in Europe are you from exactly? EU overall is pro Ukrain…

I’m your neighbour. The damage is done to the system of laws and conventions small non-aligned countries like Finland wished would protect us before and after our combined Nato accession. The very reason we are and continue to be pro-Ukraine is for empathy as well as pragmatism: the rule-breaker has to be shown the line that can’t be crossed, so that ours won’t be either.

You’re more than welcome to disagree with me, but it is quite objectively been a balancing act that we hoped to not have to take between our most militarily and economically powerful ally and values (our own and international).

The times of finlandization were supposed to be behind us, but a united front (militarily and politically) has shown cracks due to the unilateral decisions and threats the US has made these past couple of years. Hypocritical application of international law waters it down even further, and the results are already visible.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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>a few mean words ...right... >and now all of a sudden it's the US who is siding with Russia No, it's not the mean words that indicate this, it's more the open and obvious siding with Russia that does that. And before you go and collect a list of things that Trump has done which have hurt Putin, let me respond to that right away: The fact that he is a bull in a china shop who hurts everyone, whether they're on his si…

“Losing soft power” in this context is “US does something we disagree with”. It’s like my sitting here saying the EU is losing soft power by not taking on Iran and stopping their government from all the bad things they are doing. > No, it's not the mean words that indicate this, it's more the open and obvious siding with Russia that does that. And before you go and collect a list of things that Trump has done which h…

For the record, I love the US. I grew up watching almost nothing but US movies and TV. I've lived in SF and New York.

We fully agree that the dictatorships are bad, of course they are. And the US is not that, yet. But it sure appears to be flirting with the idea.

The point I am making is not that the US is bad or good, but that it's are losing soft power, and no, that doesn't just mean "doing something we disagree with".

There is an election in my country right now. Key items that parties now profile themselves on are:

* decoupling from US defence tech

* decoupling the public sector from Microsoft and AWS

* decoupling from Visa and Mastercard

Now, even if all of this happens (and it obviously won't just happen as all of those are hard and expensive), my tiny country won't move the needle in any way. But these talking points were completely unimaginable two years ago.

And I see another trend: my peers in the local startup scene are now reconsidering YC and Delaware encorporation as the default for startup creation. Importantly, this is not because of left wing ideology. Most of them, like myself and I think yourself, are somewhat right-leaning in the traditional sense, not MAGA. We all agree that the EU is over regulated and almost detrimental to entrepreneurship. But at this point, betting on the US looks like a liability.

If these trends are similar elsewhere, and I strongly suspect that they are, the long term loss for the US will be significant. It's the kind of effect that we wont see before years have passed and by then, other things will be on the radar, so I doubt that there will ever be a reckoning of this fact. But I don't doubt that it will happen.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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No they are not. Second and third world countries, not buddy first world countries. They don’t get to just do their own thing. Need I go on.

South Korea and Taiwan were definitely not first world countries when they started. Not even inhabited by white people (so less likely to be favored by 60s America, for example). The Persian Gulf states (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE). Israel also wasn't developed in 1947. Let's not ignore facts when they're inconvenient. In the Western Hemisphere the US track record has been a total mess but in the Eastern Hemisphere I'd…

Your whole side topic here is an exercise in ignoring the inconvenient facts of murder and destruction in favor of some supposedly rosy alliance narrative.

Yeah I remember elementary school too. Where people don't care if one of the kids is an a*hole because "he's nice to me".

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They're related, though. Most other hegemons sought absolute domination and a weakening (and impoverishment) of everyone else. The US was generally confident in its security and prosperity that it allowed others to become prosperous, too.

Yes this is I think the key thing... the "rising tide raises all boats" strategy. The deal was, if you play by the US rules and let their corporations in, they'll leave you alone or even give you back something useful in return. Now the rug pull... you've been operating this way for the last 50 years, and suddenly the US is out to extract as much from you as possible no matter how close an ally you are or how friendl…

Reading these statements in isolation they all look like damning with faint praise. But they are all sincere.

So strong is the instinct to pay tribute to the nice hegemon of the previous election.

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Motor-g doesn't seem to ship outside of Ukraine. That's totally understandable but for anyone outside of Ukraine, they effectively don't exist. Arctus asks you to contact them just for product info. It seems they just raised 2.6M in seed funding 3 months ago. It's great that there are startups in NL but that's not even close to a replacement for China's scale yet. Both of these may change the landscape in the future.…

> Motor-g doesn't seem to ship outside of Ukraine. They absolutely do. > Arctus asks you to contact them just for product info. You can order as much as you want from them, the price is right and the quality is extremely high. Indeed, they're not on AliExpress, but that's roughly the difference between being a producer in Europe and in China, and that is precisely the difference that you should be happy with.

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