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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by stephenr »

dangus wrote: post #568
jdprgm wrote: post #565

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is M5 Pro now supporting 64GB ram . I believe prior gens you had to go Max to get 64. m5 Pro 64GB is $3000 meanwhile to upgrade ram on the max you need the 40 gpu core variant with 64GB is $4300. $1300 dollar mark up for twice the gpu compute and 50% higher mem bandwidth isn't great value imo.

Anyone who cares about value isn’t getting a non-base model Mac. They are buying the silver shiny thing or their company is paying. For example, grab yourself an Omen Transcend 14, spec it to 64GB RAM and the RTX 5070. You’re under $2000 and getting better graphics performance for anything that isn’t AI, and you’ve got an upgradable 1TB SSD and removable WiFi card. You’re also getting an OLED screen which most people…

> Anyone who cares about value isn’t getting a non-base model Mac. They are buying the silver shiny thing or their company is paying.

Or they value things differently than you do.

Like screen brightness. Or external IO. Or more than 64GB of memory. Or not being stuck with Windows. Or an SSD larger than 2TB.

> removable WiFi card

I could stick my hand into a wood chipper and still use the stump to count the number of people I've ever seen mention much less desire a removable wifi card in the decision making process about a laptop.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by nine_k »

hamdingers wrote: post #598
nine_k wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There used to be a polite way to call this out, the "Steve Jobs's reality distortion field".

Now that every CEO has their own reality distortion field I wonder if it's even worth calling out any more.

Most are not nearly as smooth and successful at the distorting.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by brookst »

danudey wrote: post #334
GeekyBear wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In previous generations, throughout was excellent for an integrated GPU, but the time to first token was lacking.

So throughput was already good but TTFT was the metric that needed more improvement?

Yeah TTFT was terrible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to benchmark the most-improved metric.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by zer0zzz »

wslh wrote: post #642
zer0zzz wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget, Asahi runs real nice on the M1 and M2 series! Can't run Sequoia or Asahi Linux on an M5.

Full support now?

Depends on your definition. Most things apart from touchid and usb-display work really well on M1-M2.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by woodpanel »

Just for fun I maxed out the specs in the configurator. I remember doing that 10 years ago and paying 4K just to be delivered an infamous embarrassment of a laptop (yes the one with the hilarious display issues), which got me this close (pinching my fingers) to leave apple entirely. Today, maxing out yields me 8K and I gotta say, I‘m done. I‘m not paying Apple‘s insane surcharge. The temporary delta is not worth it. Already I‘m seeing corporations buying the lower/lowest tier laptops possible for their devs. Most of their compute is happening outside of the machine anyways.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by pier25 »

jacobp100 wrote: post #226
aurareturn wrote: post #4

Whoah, both the Pro and Max CPUs feature 18 cores. This hasn't happened since M1 Pro/Max. This is a surprise. Also, the mix of cores have changed drastically. - 6 "Super cores" - 12 "Performance cores" I'm guessing these are just renamed performance and efficiency cores from previous generations. This is a massive change from the M4 Max: - 12 performance cores - 4 efficiency cores This seems like a downgrade (in core…

I was looking into this. The M5 performance cores can be scaled down to match efficiency cores in performance and power usage. I believe they lower the clock speed, limit how much work is done in parallel on each core, and limit how aggressive the speculative execution is so less work is wasted.

Not sure if this was available in previous gens but my M4 Pro can run in low power mode. It's amazing. I can work for hours and only use 10-15% of the battery.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by trial3 »

stephenr wrote: post #632
mathverse wrote: post #99

Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M and dont have it. For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

> Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M and dont have it. Oh really, it's universally better? > For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience. Oh. So it's better for someone else with a specific eye condition, who is practically guaranteed to never use a MacBook that I buy?

lmao you're coming in pretty hot, stephen. it is actually possible that from time to time you may encounter comments written on the internet that do not perfectly reference every aspect of your lived experience

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by aroman »

pwython wrote: post #118

Well that's. Just. Great. I bought a 64GB M4 Max MBP last month. I'm past the 14-day return window. I figured the M5 was near, but assumed M5 Max would come a bit later. Not sure where I came up with that.

Apple released the M5 MBP more than half a year ago...
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