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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by reactordev »

animuchan wrote: post #635
reactordev wrote: post #475

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I was just saying this to someone this morning. Iran’s theocracy was the only one that has withstood the Middle East political wars in Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. To rephrase it… if The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. If the Middle East was the US. Iran would be California.

Another good analogy would be, said theocracy is (was?) like a very bad piece of legacy code, impossible to refactor, until the entire feature gets thrown in the trash.

That’s a greater analogy

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by reactordev »

dfc wrote: post #592
reactordev wrote: post #475

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I was just saying this to someone this morning. Iran’s theocracy was the only one that has withstood the Middle East political wars in Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. To rephrase it… if The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. If the Middle East was the US. Iran would be California.

I was with you until you said California. You think that Californians are understand Southern or Midwestern culture?

Not about culture. Size and GDP.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

krapht wrote: post #634
quotz wrote: post #507

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> The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. Did you mean England perhaps, not "British"?

Why? Is Scotland innocent?

Scotland is almost certainly innocent, though the Scottish people may not be.

Anyhow, the worst crimes of colonialism/genocide were mainly conducted by the English (including invading/killing plenty of Scottish, Welsh and Irish people).

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwaway173738 »

dotancohen wrote: post #603
somenameforme wrote: post #566

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The most interesting thing to me is that he was apparently assassinated while working at his office. It's not like the US/Israeli actions were a secret, yet he seemingly made no effort to secure himself. It's hard not to see this as an intentional martyrdom. So it will be interesting to see whether his calculations were correct, or whether the US' were. The one thing I think must be true is that I can't imagine an 86…

Why would you assume that someone with decades of experience could not be an effective leader?

People lose cognition as they age.

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Post by delichon »

Cipater wrote: post #641
echelon_musk wrote: post #458

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I can't recommend Heretic by Ayaan Hirsi Ali enough.

I don't think doctrinal reformation is possible with Islam. The Qur'an is totally prescriptive. It contains direct legal commands, judicial rules and explicit government principles which are all binding and considered as direct divine speech. I think Westernisation and an increase in the number of "casual" muslims is and will continue to be the moderating effect. Think of what is happening in Europe (as the clearest…

The cultural gulf between left and right in the US is expanding rather than being assimilated or adapting. There is nothing stopping the same thing from happening between immigrants and natives in the EU. Both cases involve fundamentaly irecconcilable values, and it just depends on which values prove more viral.

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Post by nerdyadventurer »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #555
beloch wrote: post #413

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Iraq is a fantastic lesson to heed today. In the first gulf war, Bush Sr. refused to occupy the country. He viewed it as too difficult and too expensive. In the second gulf war, Bush Jr. declared victory from the deck of an aircraft carrier, occupied the country, hunted and executed its leader, and then opened the U.S. treasury to deal with the aftermath. Thousands of Americans died. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's…

> There isn't even a falsified pretext like WMD's I don’t think anyone believes it, but I’ve heard media reports that ‘unnamed officials’ thought the regime was weeks away from a nuclear weapon. I think an Article 5 invocation would be a cynical way to destroy NATO with some deniability

So only US selected few countries can have nukes, what about France, UK, India etc?

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

dotancohen wrote: post #633
CoastalCoder wrote: post #575

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For those of us who haven't read it, could you explain why it's salient on this topic?

It's an English language book aimed for Westerner readers. It purports to argue that the core strategy for spreading Islam - terror - is not compatible with Western values. It also states that other features of Islam are incompatible with Western values, such as repression of women. The book argues that since these ideologies are incompatible with Western values, they must be abandoned. However, the abandonment argum…

You seem to be mixing up "Western values" and "Christian values" whereas Christian values are very much against the accumulation of wealth, whereas "Western values" seem to be all about worshipping wealth to the exclusion of all other considerations and even worshipping those who deliberately exploit others to amass an ungodly amount of wealth.

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Post by sph »

tim333 wrote: post #195
thomassmith65 wrote: post #12

The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

People celebrating inside Iran too https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952

All I see is cameras panning around buildings, no humans in sight, and audio of cheering people. Not saying it's fake, but in the age of AI faking such a video is child's play.

Too low signal-to-noise ratio for me to acknowledge any of this. We'll see how it will pan out for the Iranian people in due time.

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Post by nerdyadventurer »

Hendrikto wrote: post #504
jordanb wrote: post #498

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Weirdly Europe and even Canada seem to be completely onboard with all this..

Having a brutal dictatorial regime that finances international terrorists on your doorstep does that to you.

You know who created ISIS? US
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