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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by Ray20 »

lemontheme wrote: post #512
SauntSolaire wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To make 1/10th the salary they're making now?

First, the difference isn’t that big in the economically stronger EU countries. Second, you need to factor in cost of living, which by most accounts is lower. Third, meaningful labor laws and a shared appreciation for work-life balance. And finally, to continue the sweeping generalizations, while we celebrate business acumen, we don’t fetishize wealth. People who flaunt money get made fun of, as do sigma grindset hus…

> First, the difference isn’t that big in the economically stronger EU countries

It's exactly that big. It's not as big for people with low qualifications, but the more highly qualified the specialist, the greater the difference.

> Second, you need to factor in cost of living, which by most accounts is lower.

But here the difference really isn't that big.

> Third, meaningful labor laws and a shared appreciation for work-life balance.

This works more against EU rather than for them. Peak tech skills aren't usually acquired through laziness around and following meaningful labor laws, even in the EU.

> while we celebrate business acumen, we don’t fetishize wealth

An excuse for poor people (who still fetishize wealth)

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by keybored »

grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Corporations learn about “first they came for [Apple Inc.] but I am not [Apple Inc.] so I didn’t do anything”.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by ajam1507 »

autoexec wrote: post #311
thimabi wrote: post #251

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> I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions Although it would be nice to have some high-level signees there, I think we shouldn’t minimize the role of lay employees in this matter. Without having someone knowledgeable enough to build and operate them, AI models are worthless to the C-suite.

> Without having someone knowledgeable enough to build and operate them, AI models are worthless to the C-suite. The obvious solution is to use AI to build and operate them. If AI is as intelligent as the hype claims it shouldn't be an issue. It's not as if the goal wasn't to get rid of workers anyway. Why not start now?

If AI could do that, they would have fired all of the employees already and their company would be worth $30 trillion.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by tomcam »

anigbrowl wrote: post #398
tomcam wrote: post #366

Please take this question at face value. I tend to be slightly pro defense department in this context, but it is not a strongly held belief. What I have known is that since its very inception, Google has been doing massive amounts of business with the war department. What makes this particular contract different? I really am trying to understand why these sentiments now.

It's a clear enough moral issue that whichever side of it you end up on is likely to have life-shaping consequences 5 or 10 years down the line. It's predictable that there will be domestic or international conflict with a high cost in lives and political coherence over that timescale, and being someone who 'was in AI' at a government scale vendor is qualitatively different from being a database admin o font designer…

But hasn’t that always been true at Google? They’ve been military contractors for decades.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by lejalv »

jachee wrote: post #605
agmater wrote: post #599

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https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/ here's some to get you started

The first 17 of those are all variations on “make words”. :P

Do you know how the deadliest conflict of the XXth century eventually came to be? The words of one Adolf Hitler.

Don't dismiss words: they are the necessary link between (individual) thoughts and collective deeds.

PS. Trump also got there with words: speeches, slogans, imprecations

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by keybored »

largbae wrote: post #409

The signatories of this (letter, petition, whatever) are the same folks who profit from creating this Pandora's Box. If you don't want it opened, stop making it?

I’m torn. On the one hand it’s nice that the rank and file take a stand against extreme overreach. On the other hand these rank and file scientists, engineers, whatever are fostering a technology which has so many at-best questionable effects on all of society.

Idealists who “genuinely”[1] want to change the world “for the better”[1] will just move on to the next Interesting Problem if it ends up making the world worse.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47179649

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by graemep »

dmix wrote: post #139
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89

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The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

The EU and UK is a long way from attracting top AI talent purely from opportunity and monetary terms. Not to mention UK is arguably further down the mass surveillance pipeline than the US. They’ve always had more aggressive domestic intelligence surveillance laws which was made clear during the Snowden years, they’ve had flock style cameras forever, and they have an anti encryption law pitched seemingly yearly. I’d i…

Google's Deepmind is UK based.

It is American owned now but it clearly hired enough talent for Google to buy it.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by tibbydudeza »

WorkerBee28474 wrote: post #250
charcircuit wrote: post #162

Imagine if a gun manufacturer sold a gun that you couldn't use against X or Y country. Private companies imposing such demands on our military should not be respected. Having weapons that can randomly detect a false positive and shut themselves down because they think you are using it wrong is a feature I would never want built in. I have also been against these terms of services of restricting usage of AI models. It…

> Imagine if a gun manufacturer sold a gun that you couldn't use against X or Y country That kind of happens with F35s that the US sells to its allies.

Only Israel can make software upgrades and changes to their F35.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by pif »

khalic wrote: post #553
alopha wrote: post #547

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Trump was threatening Netflix for having a democrat on the board last week. They seized 10% of Intel. They forced Nvidia to tithe 25% of China revenue into a slush fund. The FCC has been used to censor comedy. The ship has sailed and the only consequence has been hand-wringing.

Yeah the passivity of the US population will be remembered for generations. Of course it's the people talking about freedom the most that do the least, as usual, big mouths are antithetical to actions.

Utter idiocy at election day is not passivity.

History will put Trumpers and Confederate at the same level of despicability.

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