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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Auracle »

ezst wrote: post #611
slashdev wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have written elsewhere[1] that I think AI is causing a bubble right now, AI is also the biggest technological change to the world since the Internet. I'm a software engineer, and I don't write code anymore. I'm still coming to terms with that, grieving the loss of my old career and getting used to the new career which is more like a technical lead and product person than a computer programmer. [1] https://new…

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI). And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

It’s funny to see the treadmill on the term “AI” moved again.

There’s a reason the term AGI is used a lot now. What are LLMs if not intelligence that is artificial? Just today I used it to debug code, write a shader (which, to be fair, it’s only slightly better than me at doing), and tell my daughter and I what hedgehogs and foxes eat. Seems pretty intelligent to me.

Of course, not long ago we were using the term largely for things that were basically big chains of conditional statements.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Auracle »

cmxch wrote: post #245
infecto wrote: post #145

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Why tax something that the market will figure out? This is normal and things will sort themself out.

They didn’t the last two memory crunches. Litigative action figured it out first.

Price fixing is not a free market, and that’s (probably) not what’s happening this time. It’s simple supply and demand.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by raesene9 »

gib444 wrote: post #284
raesene9 wrote: post #277

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I've just been looking in to this as I've got quite a lot of older hardware that'll be fine for running some websites lying around. My ISP has a static IP option for £5/month, but I reckon I can save £30/month+ on server costs even before any rises. Ofc it does mean I have to do my own sysadmining, but a combination of my general knowledge + an LLM should make that relatively easy.

Watch out for the energy usage. What's electric now, 27p/kWh?

yeah it definitely makes sense to use lower powered kit. Fortunately I've got a little stack of Raspberry Pis lying around for projects I always meant to do but didn't get round to :)

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by JasonADrury »

ezst wrote: post #611
slashdev wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have written elsewhere[1] that I think AI is causing a bubble right now, AI is also the biggest technological change to the world since the Internet. I'm a software engineer, and I don't write code anymore. I'm still coming to terms with that, grieving the loss of my old career and getting used to the new career which is more like a technical lead and product person than a computer programmer. [1] https://new…

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI). And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

Why? Why should we suddenly subscribe to your brand new definition of "AI"?

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by volkadav »

volkadav wrote: post #279

Doesn't seem to apply to older/deprecated gen instances. I've got a CX22 there for personal screw-around projects and it's the same £3.95/mo (pre-VAT) afaict. So maybe not much help to folks ordering new or running on the current gen as the older kit isn't something you can order now, but a small boon for us laggards.

Sadly, today I received notice from Hetzner that indeed the prices on the older CX22 are going up.

Product previous price €3.95 New price as of 1 April 2026 €5.39 CX22 (HEL1) all prices incl. 20% vat

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by ezst »

JasonADrury wrote: post #655
ezst wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI). And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

Why? Why should we suddenly subscribe to your brand new definition of "AI"?

The only brand new definition of AI is the one that came in full marketing speed shortly after ChatGPT, to have us believe that "AI has been solved and is a commodity, now" while all we got were more chatbots.

In the academic fields where this taxonomy matters, nothing much has changed with LLMs, or not more than with DNNs, SVMs, etc. Nobody that's been involved in ML research for more than 5 years seriously thinks "job's done pals, we got to pack it up, after 70 or so years of effort, we've finally figured it out, and that AI we were looking for, we got it".

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by ezst »

Auracle wrote: post #651
ezst wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI). And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

It’s funny to see the treadmill on the term “AI” moved again. There’s a reason the term AGI is used a lot now. What are LLMs if not intelligence that is artificial? Just today I used it to debug code, write a shader (which, to be fair, it’s only slightly better than me at doing), and tell my daughter and I what hedgehogs and foxes eat. Seems pretty intelligent to me. Of course, not long ago we were using the term lar…

"the treadmill on the term “AI”" hasn't moved much or at all, and that's essentially my point. Only 3-5 tech giants want us to think it has.

> Seems pretty intelligent to me.

Convenient? Yes. Intelligent? I mean, you can redefine AI to be whatever you want by lowering this bar however low you want. LLMs gave us slightly more convincing chatbots than prev-gen and nobody then would call them intelligent. The only reason we do now is marketing. It's laughable to me that we are still calling that something that's so obviously unable to push back on trivially impossible requests.

> Of course, not long ago we were using the term largely for things that were basically big chains of conditional statements.

No, we weren't? What are you even talking about? We had already built large-enough artificial neural networks whose outcomes couldn't be trivially explained in the 70's. Nobody with a sane mind and an understanding of what they were would call them oracles or intelligent devices. That's where the true genius of Altman lies.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by JasonADrury »

ezst wrote: post #657
JasonADrury wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Why should we suddenly subscribe to your brand new definition of "AI"?

The only brand new definition of AI is the one that came in full marketing speed shortly after ChatGPT, to have us believe that "AI has been solved and is a commodity, now" while all we got were more chatbots. In the academic fields where this taxonomy matters, nothing much has changed with LLMs, or not more than with DNNs, SVMs, etc. Nobody that's been involved in ML research for more than 5 years seriously thinks "…

In 1968 Marvin Minsky defined “artificial intelligence” as “the science of making machines do things that would require intelligence if done by men”

I suspect Alan Turing would also have disagreed with you, but to my knowledge he didn't actually use the precise words "artificial intelligence" so maybe we can disregard him.

But hey, your definition is much better established, right?

What you're proposing is in fact a brand new definition of AI. There are terms in use to describe what you want, AGI and ASI for example are more in that direction.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by slashdev »

ezst wrote: post #611
slashdev wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have written elsewhere[1] that I think AI is causing a bubble right now, AI is also the biggest technological change to the world since the Internet. I'm a software engineer, and I don't write code anymore. I'm still coming to terms with that, grieving the loss of my old career and getting used to the new career which is more like a technical lead and product person than a computer programmer. [1] https://new…

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI). And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

Respectfully: deal with it.

That ship has sailed, you're the one who has to adapt to the usage of the word in the world, not the world to you.

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