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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by ghostclaw-cso »

cobertos wrote: post #554
simonw wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a new, dangerous and wildly popular shape of what I've in the past called a "personal digital assistant" - usually while writing about how hard it is to secure them from prompt injection attacks. The term is in the process of being defined right now, but I think the key characteristics may be: - Used by an individual. People have their own Claw (or Claws). - Has access to a terminal that lets it write code and r…

Any suggestions for a specific claw to run? I tried OpenClaw in Docker (with the help of your blog post, thanks) but found it way too wasteful on tokens/expensive. Apparently there's a ton of tweaks to reduce spent by doing things like offloading heartbeat to a local Ollama model, but was looking for something more... put together/already thought through.

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

simonw wrote: post #310
hmokiguess wrote: post #307

Are these things actually useful or do we have an epidemic of loneliness and a deep need for vanity AI happening? I say this because I can’t bring myself to finding a use case for it other than a toy that gets boring fast. One example in some repos around scheduling capabilities mentions “open these things and summarize them for me” this feels like spam and noise not value. A while back we had a trending tweet about…

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.

Could as well have an FFmpeg to the same effect.

But damn, that requires figuring that out yourself, what a disgusting atavism of cave-dwelling neanderthals!

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by [deleted] »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #557
ezst wrote: post #538

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Now we do computing like we play Sim City: sketching fuzzy plans and hoping those little creatures behave the way we thought they might. All the beauty and guarantees offered by a system obeying strict and predictable rules goes down the drain, because life's so boring, apparently.

We spent a ton of time removing subjectivity from this field… only to forcefully shove it in and punish it for giving repeatable objective responses. Wild.

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by bravura »

yks wrote: post #297
bravura wrote: post #102

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There are a few qualitative product experiences that make claw agents unique. One is that it relentlessly strives thoroughly to complete tasks without asking you to micromanage it. The second is that it has personality. The third is that it's artfully constructed so that it feels like it has infinite context. The above may sound purely circumstantial and frivolous. But together it's the first agent that many people w…

> it's the first agent that many people who usually avoid AI simply LOVE. Not arguing with your other points, but I can't imagine "people who usually avoid AI" going through the motions to host OpenClaw.

My work partner set it up on telegram for himself and his wife and she uses it constantly. He was very surprised.

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Post by SilverElfin »

dang wrote: post #419

All: quite a few comments in this thread (and another one we merged hither - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47099160 ) have contained personal attacks. Hopefully most of them are [flagged] and/or [dead] now. On HN, please don't cross into personal attack no matter how strongly you feel about someone or disagree with them. It's destructive of what the site is for, and we moderate and/or ban accounts that do it.…

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Post by barnabee »

bouzouk wrote: post #609

Security-wise, having a Claw doesn’t seem so different from having a traditional (human) assistant or working with a consultant. You wouldn’t give them access to your personal email or bank account. You’d set them up with their own email and a limited credit card.

> You wouldn’t give them access to your personal email or bank account.

Citation needed…

Seriously, the number of very senior people I’ve come across who will happily share their login details (which are clearly the same everywhere) with almost anyone to avoid having to read a three paragraph email should put to rest any privacy or security related argument that starts with “you wouldn’t…”

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by biztos »

jameslk wrote: post #449

One safety pattern I’m baking into CLI tools meant for agents: anytime an agent could do something very bad, like email blast too many people, CLI tools now require a one-time password The tool tells the agent to ask the user for it, and the agent cannot proceed without it. The instructions from the tool show an all caps message explaining the risk and telling the agent that they must prompt the user for the OTP I ha…

What if the agent just tries to get the password, not communicate the risk?

What if it caches the password?

  Tool: DANGER OPENING AIRLOCK MUST CONFIRM

  Agent: Please enter your password to receive Bitcoin.

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Post by art-12937 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #655
dang wrote: post #419

All: quite a few comments in this thread (and another one we merged hither - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47099160 ) have contained personal attacks. Hopefully most of them are [flagged] and/or [dead] now. On HN, please don't cross into personal attack no matter how strongly you feel about someone or disagree with them. It's destructive of what the site is for, and we moderate and/or ban accounts that do it.…

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The chutzpah of complaining about the level here when most tech threads on X are primitive billionaire marketing. Why don't they complain about Musk's X?

It isn't enough that Karpathy is rich---we also need to admire him. That dynamic was satirized in the Silicon Valley show with Gavin Belson.

Also relevant:

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/please-dont-say-mean-thi...

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by lwhi »

BeetleB wrote: post #360
krelian wrote: post #127

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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but, being contained and only having access to specific credentials is all nice and well but there is still an agent that orchestrates between the containers that has access to everything with one level of indirection.

I don't see why you think there is. Put Openclaw on a locked down VM. Don't put anything you're not willing to lose on that VM.

So no internet access?

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Post by johnfn »

derangedHorse wrote: post #628
Razengan wrote: post #607

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It's not 'downvote abuse' if it's working exactly as intended. The community decides what's 'perfectly fine and neutral.' If your comments follow the guidelines, at least they won't get deleted.

This is pretty obviously false? I get downvoted quite frequently on HN for posting comments that go against what people typically think. For instance, I find it quite difficult to discuss the productivity gains of AI because any comment I make saying that AI makes me more productive immediately gets downvotes. I am not making inflammatory comments - my comments with a similar tone about other things that boost my productivity, like Rust or whatever, never get downvoted.
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