This is a signal that everyone making AI apps should build on Gemini/OpenAI, and since there is a dance of code and model to get good results, inevitably Anthropic are now writing themselves out of being the backend for everyone elses AI apps going forward
Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#652Sounds like a panicking company grasping and clawing for a moat
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#653Earlier quoted context omitted.
More than just the real value: the real intelligence is in the harness.
The opposite is true. There is barely any magic in the harness, the magic is in the model. Try it: write your own harness with (bash, read, write, edit) ... it's trivial to get a 99% version of (pick your favorite harness) -- minus the bells and whistles. The "magic of the harness" comes from the fun auxiliary orchestration stuff - hard engineering for sure! - but seriously, the model is the key item.
Not all percentages are weighted equally. That 1% is worth a lot more than the low-hanging 99% from your example
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#654Reading these comments aren't we missing the obvious? Claude Code is a lock in, where Anthropic takes all the value. If the frontend and API are decoupled, they are one benchmark away from losing half their users. Some other motivations: they want to capture the value. Even if it's unprofitable they can expect it to become vastly profitable as inference cost drops, efficiency improves, competitors die out etc. Or wor…
??? Use an API Key and there's no problem. They literally put that in plain words in the ToS.
The people mad about this feel they are entitled to the heavily subsidized usage in any context they want, not in the context explicitly allowed by the subsidizer.
It's kind of like a new restaurant started handing out coupons for "90% off", wanting to attract diners to the restaurant, customers started coming in and ordering bulk meals then immediately packaging them in tupperware containers and taking it home (violating the spirit of the arrangement, even if not the letter of the arrangement), so the restaurant changed the terms on the discount to say "limited to in-store consumption only, not eligible for take-home meals", and instead of still being grateful that they're getting food for 90% off, the cheapskate customers are getting angry that they're no longer allowed to exploit the massive subsidy however they want.
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#655Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think what most people don't realize is running an agent 24/7 fully automated is burning a huge hole in their profitability. Who even knows how big it is. It could be getting it on the 8/9 figures a day for all we know. There's this pervasive idea left over from the pre-llm days that compute is free. You want to rent your own H200x8 to run your Claude model, that's literally going to cost $24/hour. People are just…
there are usage limits preventing you from running it 24/7 on all subscriptions tiers
This bolster's OP's point, to an extent
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#656Earlier quoted context omitted.
They put no limits on the API usage, as long as you pay. Here, they put limits on the "under-cover" use of the subscription. If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use, this is because they can control the stuff end-to-end, the application running on your system (Claude Code, Claude Desktop) and their systems. As you subscribe to these plans, this is the "contract", you can use onl…
I don't see how it's fair. If I'm paying for usage, and I'm using it, why should Anthropic have a say on which client I use? I pay them $100 a month and now for some reason I can't use OpenCode? Fuck that.
You're touching on the eternal App Store debate. "It's my phone, I should be able to install whatever I want on it!" Which is true, but also hasn't been true since the mid-90s (early 2000s at the latest).
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#657Is it me, or will this just speed up the timeline where a 'good enough' open model (Qwen? Deepseek? - I'm sure the Chinese will see a value in undermining OpenAI/Anthropic/Google) combined with good enough/cheap hardware (10x inference improvement in a M7 Macbook Air?) makes running something like opencode code locally a no brainer?
People running models locally has always been the scare for the sama's of the world. "Wait, I don't need you to generate these responses for me? I can get the same results myself?"
He can't buy all the RAM
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#658Earlier quoted context omitted.
More than just the real value: the real intelligence is in the harness.
The opposite is true. There is barely any magic in the harness, the magic is in the model. Try it: write your own harness with (bash, read, write, edit) ... it's trivial to get a 99% version of (pick your favorite harness) -- minus the bells and whistles. The "magic of the harness" comes from the fun auxiliary orchestration stuff - hard engineering for sure! - but seriously, the model is the key item.
This is the complete opposite of my experience.
Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#659Earlier quoted context omitted.
They put no limits on the API usage, as long as you pay. Here, they put limits on the "under-cover" use of the subscription. If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use, this is because they can control the stuff end-to-end, the application running on your system (Claude Code, Claude Desktop) and their systems. As you subscribe to these plans, this is the "contract", you can use onl…
I don't and would never pay for an LLM, but presumably they also want for force ads down your throat eventually, yea? Hard to do if you're just selling API access.
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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
#660It might be some confirmation bias here on my part but it feels as if companies are becoming more and more hostile to their API users. Recently Spotify basically nuked their API with zero urgency to fix it, redit has a whole convoluted npm package your obliged to use to create a bot, Facebook requires you to provide registered company and tax details even for development with some permissions. Am I just old man screa…
Every garden eventually becomes a walled garden once enough people are inside.
#earthisamoat