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Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by smitelli »

angled wrote: post #473
shalmanese wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Common sense product could be something smaller than Model 3 for Europe and this car would eat Chinese for lunch. Yeah, that would be the Model 2, which Musk cancelled, then denied he cancelled, then has made no effort to review whatsoever so it exists in a limbo state of zero people working on it but it not being officially cancelled. Either way, it didn't come out in 2025 as planned. https://www.cbtnews.com/tesla…

The completed original line up was S 3 X Y The C didn’t fit that, nor would a 2. Unless he’s aiming for a lineup of products that has you seeing someone next Tuesday.

CyberS3XY was what I always figured he was going for.

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Post by ultrattronic »

ACCount37 wrote: post #630
top_sigrid wrote: post #618

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> If you can train a policy that drives well on cameras, you can get self-driving. If you can't, you're fucked, and no amount of extra sensors will save you. Source: trust me, bro? This statement has no factual basis. Calling the most common approach of all other self-driving developers except Tesla a wank also is no argument but hate only.

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Yes that’s why having both makes sense.

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Post by cs702 »

Five years ago, during the 2021 Q1 earnings call, Musk was asked about Models S and X. He responded:

> I mean, they’re very expensive, made in low volume. To be totally frank, we’re continuing to make them more for sentimental reasons than anything else. They’re really of minor importance to the future.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by kakacik »

tedggh wrote: post #627
arethuza wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a small Tesla "eat Chinese for lunch" - the brand is tainted (to put it mildly) and the Teslas I've been in didn't seem to have great design or build quality?

I spent a month in Spain driving a BYD daily and it was fine. I just don’t like the tackiness of the interior and not in love with the exterior either. The handling is also ok, nothing exciting. There’s something still very Chinese about these cars. Not saying that matters if you just want an affordable and reliable EV that takes you from point A to B. BYD can do that perfectly fine. I personally like the design of t…

Regardless, owner is a nazi and utter POS to be polite, basically same material as trump. Nothing in the world is going to change that, not now not in 40 years. He keeps insulting whole Europe (meaning all of fucking us living here) and our leaders almost daily, looking down on us very publicly.

Why the heck would I buy such car, even if it costed 1 euro? Have some self-respect and morality ffs, do you also go to restaurant where you know they will spit on you and insult you, just because they have cca same stuff as all other places, often worse while more expensive? [1]

[1] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tuev-report-2026-tesla-mo...

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Post by pbronez »

lnsru wrote: post #540
arethuza wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a small Tesla "eat Chinese for lunch" - the brand is tainted (to put it mildly) and the Teslas I've been in didn't seem to have great design or build quality?

There are people like me who still buy teslas. Buddy picked up his new Model Y couple weeks ago. The price and the whole package is fine. Zero interest financing is absolutely nice. Elon showed his real face during children rescue drama in Asia. With this defamation story it was well known who he is for years. Political involvement was the visible tip of an iceberg for everyone. Now if you ask me if the German car ma…

Several years ago I wanted to buy an electric car. I didn’t like Musk, so my plan was “anything but Tesla.” Chevy Bolt was unavailable due to the fire problem. Cadillac Lyriq and Hyundai Ioniq 5 weren’t out yet.

I drove everything available to buy in my area. My real options were the Mustang Mach-e, Volvo XC40 Recharge, Hyundai Kona, Polestar 2. I decided to test drive a Model Y for completeness.

And CRAP.

The Model Y was obviously the best car. So much more refined than the other options. Way better charging network. 7 seat option. The only real downside was the zany CEO.

Fine, I thought. I’ll live with it.

I bought a Model Y and love it.

But.

I’ll never buy another Tesla. I have a bumper sticker disavowing the CEO. I paid off its loan so nobody would make money from me owning a Tesla. I honk support at the No Kings protestors outside the local Tesla facility.

I think the only thing that can save Tesla is a crash/buyout/relaunch. Get Musk out of the picture. Reset the stock price to something sane. Ditch the distractions. Release a Model 2. Keep expanding the SuperCharger network.

That’s a long hard road. Nobody involved makes money in that scenario. It’ll only happen when there are no other options.

As for me, I’m driving my Model Y until the wheels fall off. With the bumper sticker.

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Post by thelastgallon »

Coming up next: Tesla to end production of all cars and sell only NFT/Crypto with pictures of Cybertruck going to the moon/mars. This is the only company which provides Speculation as a Service. With a complete monopoly on SPaaS, the market cap will skyrocket to $20 Trillion. Elon will be given Nobel peace prize for saving mankind from itself as well as physics.

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Post by FeloniousHam »

brightball wrote: post #498
rswail wrote: post #334

So he milked Tesla for another $2B to subsidize xAI, has dropped the models to 2 (3 and Y), revenue is down, growth is negative, BYD is eating Tesla for lunch, followed by the other CN and KR vehicle companies. He doesn't have FSD, camera only navigation without sensor fusion with LIDAR will fail, the only thing keeping Tesla where it is is the bullshit dispersal field that surrounds Musk.

I assume the S and X are being cancelled because 3 and Y are cannibalizing them with a very close product for a much better price point. Both have premium trim options. There’s very little difference in interior space. Aside from the doors on the X there’s just not much differentiation.

I own the Y and drove the S as a loaner. The S is a noticeably better car. Also has 1000hp.

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Post by iinnPP »

sidcool wrote: post #595

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It is and so is the sum of nonsensical replies to the entire thread.

It makes sense though, with the experience of the average app/website these days. Those devs come here and you can pick them out with ease.

I called this event years ago, it has been obvious in foresight.

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Post by nessbot »

swedishuser wrote: post #656

Pretty sad seeing people take pleasure in the company failing. See past your opinion about it's leader. At the end of the day, it's the company that brought vehicle electrification to the masses and has acted cash cow for SpaceX, Starlink and Neuralink.

He's not just the leader, he's the primary beneficiary, and he's a blatant white supremacist. He's arguably responsible for the deaths of over 1 million people world wide from his short tenure shutting down USAID[0]. So yeah, I'd say its more than fine to take pleasure in his failings.

[0] https://www.cgdev.org/blog/update-lives-lost-usaid-cuts

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